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06-25-2013, 10:49 AM
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Assuming Trading Up Is Out: Who's The Pick At 8?

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Can we see another Grigorenko situation with Nichushkin? Jebas, I hope so.

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I think Nichushkin might be an even bigger wildcard than Grigorenko last year.

I could see him going top 5 and falling way down ala Forsberg & Grigorenko last year.

He sticks out as the big boom or bust pick this year. With so many guys getting touted as "sure things", that could really hurt Nichushkin's stock.

While there is a lot of risk there, I wouldn't be upset if the Sabres pulled the trigger on a Nichushkin pick.

If Nichushkin is there, I'm assuming Monahan and Lindholm are off the board. If it's Nichushkin vs Nurse or Ristolainen, I'd roll the dice on Nichushkin.

If he and Grigorenko can get some chemistry......


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I have to get out of the mind set that 2 Russians on the Sabres would have made Lindy's head explode. He would have just made a giant FUBAR of that. Somehow he would have tried to make Grigo a shut down defense first centerman....... Rolston is a teacher. Might work.

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I'm hoping one of Lindholm/Monahan is there somehow, but I'm doubting it.
I take Ristolainen easily at 8, then hope to deal up from 16 to 10-12 and nab horvat.

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06-25-2013, 11:27 AM
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If all the top forwards are gone (Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin) then I say there's about a 30%chance that Horvat could be the pick. With their insistence on developing a young, hardworking core, I have a good feeling that they're targeting Horvat, whether it be with the eighth pick or trading up from sixteen. I can't see them passing up on a top forward, but I can see them reaching for Horvat.

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I have to get out of the mind set that 2 Russians on the Sabres would have made Lindy's head explode. He would have just made a giant FUBAR of that. Somehow he would have tried to make Grigo a shut down defense first centerman....... Rolston is a teacher. Might work.
During the best of times, Lindy had both Kalinin and Max. Two Russians doesn't have to be bad.

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please let it be Risto over Nichu/Nurse

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Id prefer nish monohan or lind but if they are gone I will be completely content with risto nurse or horvat

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I think they are going D with the 8th. Nurse or Ristolainen.

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If Nichushkin drops to 8th I don't think we can afford to let him pass. While we don't yet have a lot of proven centers on our team, we do have a lot of depth down the middle now, which is why Nishushkin should be our choice. And there's a good chance that he drops, because of all the "sure things" among top prospects. If he's not available then I'm assuming atleast one of Lindholm and Monahan will be. I'm ok with either one, but having followed Lindholm on my favorite team Brynäs in Sweden I would love to see him in blue and gold. This kid is going to be good, though we'll have to wait a few years for him.

Speaking of Brynäs: Dennis Persson. What a bust that was! First round pick, never played in the NHL, and now in Brynäs he continues to be... meh, at best.

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And by all means: If Nishuchkin, Lindholm and Monahan are all gone, then either another top forward has fallen into our lap, or Nurse is still available. I wouldn't mind that very much either. This is why I'm against overpaying for moving up by the way. Whoever we get att 8th is going to be a really interesting player.

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During the best of times, Lindy had both Kalinin and Max. Two Russians doesn't have to be bad.
I submit Lindy had no idea what to do with Max. He could fly and on any given night could be +4 or -4. Lindy used to go nuts. Kalinin was a whipping boy too. Typical round peg square hole Lindy. Dallas' problem now. Prefer to see Rolston's handling of 2 Russians. He might suck....but Lindy already did.
That said...Nik is likely gone by 8.

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I'd say it's between Lindholm, Monahan, Nichushkin, Ristolainen or Nurse. Dark horse guys could be Zadorov or Horvat.

Out of those guys, my order of preference... Monahan, Lindholm, Risto, Nurse, Horvat, Nichushkin, Zadorov.

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Guy we most-likely get: Nurse
Guy I'd want: Nichushkin/Lindholm
Outside hope: Monahan

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Whom ever Devine likes the most of Nichushkin/Nurse/Ristolainen/Zadarov and Lindholm. My guess is it will be one of them four at 8.

At 16 its to hard to have an idea of whom will be available. Their are 10-15 guys I could be happy with.

I would like to add a big LH Dman who can play all situations and compliment Myers in the future.


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Ristolainen has become the most over rated player on this forum.

I really, really, really do not want to go 'D' with the first pick, but if we had to I'd prefer both Nurse and Zadarov. And this Santini boy is rising sharply as well.

Semi-realistically at 8 I want Nichuskhin - my fav player in the draft outside the 'big three'. They have the depth of prospects already in the system, and upcoming high round picks to make it worth taking the chance.

Pessimistically* at 8 I want Horvat. Especially if they could move down a few spots to grab him (possibly moving up from 16 at the same time). Horvat, and one of the above mentioned D / mid rated forwards such as Zykov/Erne/Domi/Shinkaruk/Lazar etc. etc. would be satisfactory for me. Getting Nichuskhin would be a bonus.

* Pessimistic in the sense that the first seven gone are Mac/Jones/Drouin/Barkov/Nichuskhin/Lindholm/Monahan as widely expected.

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Ristolainen has become the most over rated player on this forum.
How? He's going to be a damn good player.

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I really, really, really do not want to go 'D' with the first pick, but if we had to I'd prefer both Nurse and Zadarov. And this Santini boy is rising sharply as well.
Again, what's your vendetta against Risto?

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How? He's going to be a damn good player.

Again, what's your vendetta against Risto?
No Vendetta. He looks a solid prospect - too early to say 'a damn good player' certainly at the NHL level....

..but people talk about him as a lock for top 8 due to certain posters campaigning (IMO).

TBH I generally prefer forwards high in the draft since I think you have more chance of hitting than with defencemen, but if we HAD to go 'D' I don't really see what sets RR apart from others mentioned. Actually, I like Nurse and Zadarov's potential more than Risto's. And Santini is starting to interest me certainly what I've read over the past week or so.

Basically I'd be happy enough with a player like him at 16 but would find him an uninspiring pick at 8.

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please let it be Risto over Nichu/Nurse
Why down on Nurse and Nichushkin?

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The long term trend in terms of success for top forward picks v top defensive picks has me pretty much convinced we should not go D with #8.

I don't care how good any of them look. Defensemen aren't mature at 18. More like 25. You can't tell who's got it yet. At 18, though, a forward can lead his team in scoring in the NHL. It's just a different draft.

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I'm hoping one of Lindholm/Monahan is there somehow, but I'm doubting it.
I take Ristolainen easily at 8, then hope to deal up from 16 to 10-12 and nab horvat.
I believe this is word-for-word what I would have said. Nicely done!

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Why down on Nurse and Nichushkin?
Nurse's lack of offensive skills, combined with lower level hockey sense makes him a very risky pick. I didn't see the turn around in on ice zone awareness that others have claimed as the season progressed. I consider him a player with a very slim chance of reaching his ceiling.

Nichushkin is too one dimensional for my liking... he's got an insane combination of skills (speed/power), that he uses in a one dimensional way... he's not going to be able to transition as easily to the NHL as many seem to think.

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Guy we most-likely get: Nurse
Guy I'd want: Nichushkin/Lindholm
Outside hope: Monahan
I like how you're thinking here. Nichushkin just scares me at this point. He's got all the offensive capabilities to be a tremendous NHL player, and soon. The problem is, the Sabres at this point just can't miss on a player with the possibility of not even playing in the NHL. These first two picks have to be solid contributors at the least, and ASAP. If they could guarantee his playing in the NHL, I'd love to have him, but if there are any question marks in the way of attendance, I'd prefer them to stay away.

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No Vendetta. He looks a solid prospect - too early to say 'a damn good player' certainly at the NHL level....

..but people talk about him as a lock for top 8 due to certain posters campaigning (IMO).

TBH I generally prefer forwards high in the draft since I think you have more chance of hitting than with defencemen, but if we HAD to go 'D' I don't really see what sets RR apart from others mentioned. Actually, I like Nurse and Zadarov's potential more than Risto's. And Santini is starting to interest me certainly what I've read over the past week or so.

Basically I'd be happy enough with a player like him at 16 but would find him an uninspiring pick at 8.
Would you like me to provide more reading material on Ristolainen to help with your opinion?

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I just want a great and fast skater with decent size and solid hands. Nichuskin fits the bill there.

As for our 16th pick, I hope one of Ristolainenen or Nurse fall there.

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