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06-25-2013, 10:32 AM
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Blue Jackets pursuing Miikka Kiprusoff

yup... "confident"

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#BlueJackets asking 4 permission speak to #Flames Kiprusoff in hopes of talking him out of retire'mt. Doesn't app' he will change his mind

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yup... "confident"

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#BlueJackets asking 4 permission speak to #Flames Kiprusoff in hopes of talking him out of retire'mt. Doesn't app' he will change his mind
Um, what

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What is his current contract situation? I'd expect this would be to perform as a backup, or, at worst, the safety net should the extreme outside chance the Bobrovsky situation falls through. Luongo's contract is terrible, he shouldn't be an option via straight trade with Vancouver right now.

Regardless, the team needs another NHL caliber goalie in house anyways.

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yup... "confident"

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#BlueJackets asking 4 permission speak to #Flames Kiprusoff in hopes of talking him out of retire'mt. Doesn't app' he will change his mind
Let the histrionics commence.

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I agree. There are probably 3 reasons they are doing this.

1 - for him to be the #2 goaltender
2 - in case they can't sign Bobrovsky
3 - to try to have a little more leverage in the negotiations with Bobrovsky's agent


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I agree. Their are probably 3 reasons they are doing this.

1 - for him to be the #2 goaltender
2 - in case they can't sign Bobrovsky
3 - to try to have a little more leverage in the negotiations with Bobrovsky
Kiprusoff has a cap hit of 5.8 for the last year of his contract. Only 1.5 in actual money but there are better ways to spend your cap hit than 5.8 on a backup goalie.

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I agree. Their are probably 3 reasons they are doing this.

1 - for him to be the #2 goaltender
2 - in case they can't sign Bobrovsky
3 - to try to have a little more leverage in the negotiations with Bobrovsky's agent
There is only ONE reason to do this. It's a bluff of epic proportions and I love it!

Jarmo-"I see your KHL offer Mr. Theofanous and I raise you one Kiprusoff. Your call."

Theofanous-"Fold"

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Kiprusoff has a cap hit of 5.8 for the last year of his contract. Only 1.5 in actual money but there are better ways to spend your cap hit than 5.8 on a backup goalie.
Precisely why this is why I've officially started worrying about Bob. You don't try and bring in a guy with a 5.8 million dollar cap hit if you just want him to be a backup.

Anyways, Kiprusoff was a workhorse for many years but he sucked last year. Not the Bob-replacement I'm hoping for if one becomes necessary.

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Kiprusoff has a cap hit of 5.8 for the last year of his contract. Only 1.5 in actual money but there are better ways to spend your cap hit than 5.8 on a backup goalie.
I don't know how it would work if he is retired. If we could sign him to a new contract or if we would have to trade for him (that is what I would think). We could sign him to a lower cap number if we can sign him to a new contract. We could trade Calgary a player to offset some of his cap number if we had to trade for him.

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There is only ONE reason to do this. It's a bluff of epic proportions and I love it!

Jarmo-"I see your KHL offer Mr. Theofanous and I raise you one Kiprusoff. Your call."

Theofanous-"Fold"
Except if I was Bob's agent, replacing my client with a 36 (almost 37) year old goalie who had a .882 save percentage and a 3.44 GAA last season along with a cap hit of 5.8 million seems pretty ludicrous.

Worst bluff attempt ever.

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I don't know how it would work if he is retired. If we could sign him to a new contract or if we would have to trade for him (that is what I would think). We could sign him to a lower cap number if we can sign him to a new contract. We could trade Calgary a player to offset some of his cap number if we had to trade for him.
As far as I know, a contract is a contract. If you could simply "retire" and then come back and sign a new contract with a different team, players would do that all the time. There is no way the CBA would allow that.

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Consider the source.

Also if the CBJ were NOT checking various (all) options, then I would be worried.

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There is only ONE reason to do this. It's a bluff of epic proportions and I love it!

Jarmo-"I see your KHL offer Mr. Theofanous and I raise you one Kiprusoff. Your call."

Theofanous-"Fold"
Jarmo would be forced to go with the call. Saying "I see your....and I raise..." is a string bet, which is illegal under the standard rules of poker. Instead of swaying leverage, it would mean matching the KHL offer.

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As far as I know, a contract is a contract. If you could simply "retire" and then come back and sign a new contract with a different team, players would do that all the time. There is no way the CBA would allow that.
I am not sure how the NHL works, but Derek Fisher did something like this in the NBA this year.

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Retiring and then re-signing him wouldn't be allowed.

But, the Flames could buy him out - no cap hit for them and it would 'only' cost 1 million. We could then resign him for a different contract. A small trade could be made that helped to compensate Calgary for biting the 1 million.

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Consider the source.

Also if the CBJ were NOT checking various (all) options, then I would be worried.
Agreed. I'm fine with the idea of investigating the idea. I could potentially be fine with the addition, too, I guess, but I'm not going to think too much more about it until there's more smoke.

Some number of years ago, I championed the "kick every tire" mantra. To me, that's the job.

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Retiring and then re-signing him wouldn't be allowed.

But, the Flames could buy him out - no cap hit for them and it would 'only' cost 1 million. We could then resign him for a different contract. A small trade could be made that helped to compensate Calgary for biting the 1 million.
Yeah. That is basically what happened in the NBA this year, except Dallas wasn't happy with Fisher signing with Oklahoma City.

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Jarmo would be forced to go with the call. Saying "I see your....and I raise..." is a string bet, which is illegal under the standard rules of poker. Instead of swaying leverage, it would mean matching the KHL offer.
Tell that to Theofanous, he's the one who's about to fold. Watch.

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CBJ aren't going to go out and throw a ton of money/tenue at any tender in the offseason, even Bob.

The mantra for this is: We need two goaltenders.

Mason was broken, Leighton was not a long term solution at backup, McBackup is AHL caliber only, York isn't ready for regular duty, All others (Forsberg, Dansk, Koorpisalo, Ouellette, etc) aren't likely ready for extended action at the big level here.

I'd rather we get proactive about this situation than wait to see how it shakes out, only to be left holding the bag on a scant list of options should this thing stretch out longer and higher caliber options get snatched up.

This barely registers for me as far a "The News out of Russia isn't good for us".

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I agree. I would rather we try to fix our problems than hope they fix themselves. That is what it seemed like we used to do.

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I agree. There are probably 3 reasons they are doing this.

1 - for him to be the #2 goaltender
2 - in case they can't sign Bobrovsky
3 - to try to have a little more leverage in the negotiations with Bobrovsky's agent
Yep, yep, and yep. I think #3 is probably the big one, not a bad move for negotiations with Bob imo.

I agree with what McGinty is saying about the cap hit, but we don't have cap issues unless we are doing some serious upgrading at the forward positions.

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Yep, yep, and yep. I think #3 is probably the big one, not a bad move for negotiations with Bob imo.

I agree with what McGinty is saying about the cap hit, but we don't have cap issues unless we are doing some serious upgrading at the forward positions.
Serious upgrading at the forward positions pretty much follows along with what we've been believing will happen with the team. If that doesn't happen and we spend a 5.8 cap hit on a backup goalie, we've got problems.

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They will not spend 5.8M on a back-up goalie.

Of that you can be as certain as you can be. Pretty much lead pipe lock.

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Except if I was Bob's agent, replacing my client with a 36 (almost 37) year old goalie who had a .882 save percentage and a 3.44 GAA last season along with a cap hit of 5.8 million seems pretty ludicrous.

Worst bluff attempt ever.
If I was Bob's agent I'd say:

"So you're willing to have 5.8 million of your cap tied up in a goalie are you..."

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