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06-25-2013, 02:35 PM
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Every summer is the summer of the overpaid powerforward/physical defenseman.


why cant the Rangers develop their own power forward or trade for a young one??? the last power forward NYR had was Adam Graves.... Bruins have Lucic and Horton, Flyers Hartnell and Simmonds, Stars have Benn (5th round pick), Ducks have Perry, Kings have Brown.. all other teams can deveolp their own, why cant NYR and no Kreider is not a power forward.. size dont make you a power forward....

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He is good for ~18 points a year or ~20 points over 82 games. That's an effective 4th line player offensively.



Fair enough.
I just feel it isn't cost efficient to invest that money on an injury prone 4th line player. Especially when you have similar plugs like Dorsett already occupying his 'role'.

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I'd take Frolik for sure. Great bottom-6 player and a tremendous PKer.

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why cant the Rangers develop their own power forward or trade for a young one??? the last power forward NYR had was Adam Graves.... Bruins have Lucic and Horton, Flyers Hartnell and Simmonds, Stars have Benn (5th round pick), Ducks have Perry, Kings have Brown.. all other teams can deveolp their own, why cant NYR and no Kreider is not a power forward.. size dont make you a power forward....
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06-25-2013, 02:39 PM
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06-25-2013, 02:40 PM
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I'd take a peak Hemsky easily over Callahan. But you can't compare players solely on playoff numbers. You have to look at what players have done lately as well to formulate a good evaluation on them. In the case of Pyatt, he's been good in the playoffs for the past few years.
When comparing the past couple of seasons, Tootoo's stats in the regular season surpass the great Taylor Pyatt offensively.

Pyatt in 2011-2012
Avg ice time: 12:19
19 points in 73 games played

Pyatt in 2012-2013
Avg ice time: 13:06
11 points in 48 games played

.248 p/g over the past 2 seasons


Tootoo in 2011-2012
Avg ice time: 13:09
30 points in 77 games played

Tootoo in 2013-2013
Avg ice time: 9:04
8 points in 42 games played

.319 p/g over the past 2 seasons

Pyatt provides more offense?

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06-25-2013, 02:44 PM
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This is what the Rangers have







http://www.freep.com/article/2013062...ago-blackhawks

This is what the Rangers need.

Stan Bowman learned from his father.
The one thing the Rangers don't need is more small players. They need fewer.

The Black Hawks have one forward under 5 - 11, 190 in their line up.

The Rangers need to compliment the likes of Callahan, Hagelin, Stepan and Nash with bigger, tougher more physical players that can put the puck in the net.

Aquiring any of Coyle, Matthias, Foligno would be a huge plus for this team.

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No one is calling Taylor Pyatt great.

Why are we ignoring playoffs again (besides the obvious)?

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No one is calling Taylor Pyatt great.

Why are we ignoring playoffs again (besides the obvious)?
Add them in. Tootoo still has outscored him.

You have to reach the playoffs first.

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The one thing the Rangers don't need is more small players. They need fewer.

The Black Hawks have one forward under 5 - 11, 190 in their line up.

The Rangers need to compliment the likes of Callahan, Hagelin, Stepan and Nash with bigger, tougher more physical players that can put the puck in the net.

Aquiring any of Coyle, Matthias, Foligno would be a huge plus for this team.
As a prospect I'd say that Coyle is on another level from the other two. I'm not very high on the other two. Foligno had one two goal game against us, he was dreadful otherwise.

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When comparing the past couple of seasons, Tootoo's stats in the regular season surpass the great Taylor Pyatt offensively.

Pyatt in 2011-2012
Avg ice time: 12:19
19 points in 73 games played

Pyatt in 2012-2013
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11 points in 48 games played

.248 p/g over the past 2 seasons


Tootoo in 2011-2012
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30 points in 77 games played

Tootoo in 2013-2013
Avg ice time: 9:04
8 points in 42 games played

.319 p/g over the past 2 seasons

Pyatt provides more offense?
Lol, I'm not even a fan of Pyatt, in fact, I was probably one of the few that hated it: (All from Pyatt signing thread where people were deluded into thinking he was a 3rd line player)

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Tippet trusts Pyatt against teams 2nd lines, but his possession numbers were brutal. I expect the team to be heavily outshot when he is on the ice.
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Pyatt is not an upgrade on Mitchell IMO.
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Mind boggling how people believe stone hands Pyatt can replace a stud rookie like Hagelin. I'm gonna hate it when he's traded for Nash.
I know too well of the greatness from Pyatt.

But even then, the upgrade will be marginal at best and I think Tootoo with his undisciplined playing style is a liability.

I have to ask a question, have you wondered why a much more talented player like Tootoo never reaches the ice time of Pyatt all these years? Discipline is key.

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06-25-2013, 02:53 PM
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I know too well of the greatness from Pyatt.

But even then, the upgrade will be marginal at best and I think Tootoo with his undisciplined playing style is a liability.

I have to ask a question, have you wondered why a much more talented player like Tootoo never reaches the ice time of Pyatt all these years? Discipline is key.
Hockey is a physical sport. I'll take the slightly less disciplined 4th liner over Pyatt. I value that side of he sport. I would rather have them on the Rangers than on the other side and I am sick of seeing guys like Cooke, Ruutu, Rinaldo, Boulton run around with no answer from the Rangers.

Prust is a unique player. But many very good teams employ players like Tootoo. They can be valuable especially in the playoffs.

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As a prospect I'd say that Coyle is on another level from the other two. I'm not very high on the other two. Foligno had one two goal game against us, he was dreadful otherwise.
A lot of people feel the same way about Coyle as you do. Others are very high on Foligno as well. I think any of the three I mentioned would be a plus to the current line up.

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06-25-2013, 02:57 PM
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Hockey is a physical sport. I'll take the slightly less disciplined 4th liner over Pyatt. I value that side of he sport. I would rather have them on the Rangers than on the other side and I am sick of seeing guys like Cooke, Ruutu, Rinaldo, Boulton run around with no answer from the Rangers.

Prust is a unique player. But many very good teams employ players like Tootoo. They can be valuable especially in the playoffs.
lol saying Tootoo is 'slightly less disciplined' is a gross underestimation. I personally would rather prefer players who can shield pucks better, work the cycle and have decent board play, but to one's each own I guess. Agree to disagree.

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lol saying Tootoo is 'slightly less disciplined' is a gross underestimation. I personally would rather prefer players who can shield pucks better, work the cycle and have decent board play, but to one's each own I guess. Agree to disagree.
So you would rather someone who just wastes time in the offensive zone behind the other teams net and is caught down low because of his lack of speed on the back-check?

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Hockey is a physical sport. I'll take the slightly less disciplined 4th liner over Pyatt. I value that side of he sport. I would rather have them on the Rangers than on the other side and I am sick of seeing guys like Cooke, Ruutu, Rinaldo, Boulton run around with no answer from the Rangers.

Prust is a unique player. But many very good teams employ players like Tootoo. They can be valuable especially in the playoffs.
Rangers should target guys like Matt Beleskey, Kyle Clifford, Justin Abdelkader, Maxim Pierre type players this off season... guys that can play and provide a spark with a big hit or a fight whenever the team needs a wakeup

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So you would rather someone who just wastes time in the offensive zone behind the other teams net and is caught down low because of his lack of speed on the back-check?
You call it wasting time, I see it as preserving play in the other team's end and tiring out the opposition alongside no offensive chances the other way. So yeah, I'd prefer Pyatt's boardwork over Tootoo's physicality any day of the week.

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You call it wasting time, I see it as preserving play in the other team's end and tiring out the opposition alongside no offensive chances the other way. So yeah, I'd prefer Pyatt's boardwork over Tootoo's physicality any day of the week.
Let's not act like Pyatt is some great puck possession player. He can barely get in on the forecheck most of the time.

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Hemsky couldn't be a lazier, less competitive player. We get it, you hate Callahan, but come on now.

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Hemsky couldn't be a lazier, less competitive player. We get it, you hate Callahan, but come on now.
That's not really true. He's injury prone, but I wouldn't say he lacks competitiveness.

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Let's not act like Pyatt is some great puck possession player. He can barely get in on the forecheck most of the time.
No he's a pretty bad puck possession player due to his inability to carry play on his stick, but he serves as a nice complimentary board player. Like I said, the only thing he's good at.

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Why are u guys arguing over who is the better 4th liner? The Rangers have many options for 4th liners... We need top 9 talent

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Interested to see if Carolina trades the 5th pick. Need a top 4 D. Could be part of a package. Told Rutherford is getting lots of calls.

Wonder if we're one of those teams calling in.

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Why are u guys arguing over who is the better 4th liner? The Rangers have many options for 4th liners... We need top 9 talent
Who are good options on the 4th line? Boyle? Dorsett? Who else?

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Hemsky couldn't be a lazier, less competitive player. We get it, you hate Callahan, but come on now.
I said peak Hemsky, where he was a PPG playmaking winger. Right now, obviously take Callahan.

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