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06-25-2013, 03:17 PM
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I am LIVID about Hali and Blum. Absolutely livid. Not qualifying them is absolutely horrible asset management, and saying so just makes their value even smaller.

Hopefully he can get a 2nd for both or something.
We'll see...It's not over yet...

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I am LIVID about Hali and Blum. Absolutely livid. Not qualifying them is absolutely horrible asset management, and saying so just makes their value even smaller.

Hopefully he can get a 2nd for both or something.
But, as I've been trying to explain...your perceived value isn't reality. Blum has been horrendous for two years. Halischuk is a dime a dozen forward. No team in the league is giving a second for both. Not even close.

Poile got assets, however vague, for Brian McGrattan and Scott Hannan. If Blum or Halischuk could bring a sixth round pick, they'd be gone. The market simply isn't that high for a inconsistent bottom six forwards\bust defensemen.

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06-25-2013, 03:19 PM
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We'll see...It's not over yet...
You don't say "i'm trying to trade these players" and then keep them.

The writing is on the wall in bright yellow letters.

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Jones isn't the best defenseman in 20 years. Not by a longshot. No one is dumb enough to even claim that.
So your telling me Jones is not being hyped to be the overall best NHL ready dman to hit the draft in 15-20 years. Name me some who were projected to go #1 and had the hype scouting reports Jones does?

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You don't say "i'm trying to trade these players" and then keep them.

The writing is on the wall in bright yellow letters.
Yeah....can't argue much here.

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But, as I've been trying to explain...your perceived value isn't reality. Blum has been horrendous for two years. Halischuk is a dime a dozen forward. No team in the league is giving a second for both. Not even close.

Poile got assets, however vague, for Brian McGrattan and Scott Hannan. If Blum or Halischuk could bring a sixth round pick, they'd be gone. The market simply isn't that high for a inconsistent bottom six forwards\bust defensemen.
Fans tend to think a player is better than he is because they're a fan of them. It's classic.

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So your telling me Jones is not being hyped to be the overall best NHL ready dman to hit the draft in 15-20 years. Name me some who were projected to go #1 and had the hype scouting reports Jones does?
Patrick Stefan

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Patrick Stefan
Stefan was a forward.

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Stefan was a forward.
Ah...I just read

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Name me some who were projected to go #1 and had the hype scouting reports Jones does?
and thought he meant any position.

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But, as I've been trying to explain...your perceived value isn't reality. Blum has been horrendous for two years. Halischuk is a dime a dozen forward. No team in the league is giving a second for both. Not even close.

Poile got assets, however vague, for Brian McGrattan and Scott Hannan. If Blum or Halischuk could bring a sixth round pick, they'd be gone. The market simply isn't that high for a inconsistent bottom six forwards\bust defensemen.
I'm not saying I expect him to, I said hopefully. We have no leverage now.

I see no reason not to keep them.
None. They're worth more as depth then they'll return in a trade.

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I'm still terrified Jones will already be taken and Poile is going to get odd-year-itis and pick Nurse.

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I think Blum has a little more value than Hali. Hali may fetch a 6th rounder if we are lucky and blum may get as high as a 4th but more than likely a 5th. I'm guessing Poile is just waiting for the best offer he can find. He won't just cut them lose for nothing.

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So your telling me Jones is not being hyped to be the overall best NHL ready dman to hit the draft in 15-20 years. Name me some who were projected to go #1 and had the hype scouting reports Jones does?
The hype on Jones is comparable to what it was on both Hedman and Larsson, and nowhere near what it was on Erik Johnson.

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Not when Patrick Kane just won the Conn Smythe less then 24 hours ago.
You have to consider what the Preds organization needs. Their reported need is bigger and stronger forwards. Drouin is neither. If the choice is between Drouin and any of the other top forwards, Poile chooses Mac, Barkov, or Nich, all bigger, stronger guys. If the choice is between Jones and Drouin, Poile says he'll take Jones. I'd bet Drouin isn't drafted by the Preds.

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I'm not saying I expect him to, I said hopefully. We have no leverage now.

I see no reason not to keep them.
None. They're worth more as depth then they'll return in a trade.
To a team with unlimited budget and plenty of open contract spots maybe...but you can't run the risk of getting stuck with two lifeless assets. Not in this day and age. That's 1.3ish million tied up in players you don't want, if you can't trade them for what you declare to be "value."

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I'm not saying I expect him to, I said hopefully. We have no leverage now.

I see no reason not to keep them.
None. They're worth more as depth then they'll return in a trade.
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You have to consider what the Preds organization needs. Their reported need is bigger and stronger forwards. Drouin is neither. If the choice is between Drouin and any of the other top forwards, Poile chooses Mac, Barkov, or Nich, all bigger, stronger guys. If the choice is between Jones and Drouin, Poile says he'll take Jones. I'd bet Drouin isn't drafted by the Preds.
They need size, yes, but they also need skill. Drouin is the most skilled player in the entire draft. I'd still take him before any forward outside of Mackinnon.

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You have to consider what the Preds organization needs. Their reported need is bigger and stronger forwards. Drouin is neither. If the choice is between Drouin and any of the other top forwards, Poile chooses Mac, Barkov, or Nich, all bigger, stronger guys. If the choice is between Jones and Drouin, Poile says he'll take Jones. I'd bet Drouin isn't drafted by the Preds.
I'm not suggesting that we do take him, especially if Barkov's on the board, I'm just saying that size shouldn't deter anyone away from him when he's being compared to Kane.

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They need size, yes, but they also need skill. Drouin is the most skilled player in the entire draft. I'd still take him before any forward outside of Mackinnon.
Agreed. Drouin has been ranked #1-#3 in every report I've seen for the previous 8 mos or so.

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As far as the cap goes, we currently sit with $12.1 in room with Spaling and Brennen ($1.6 combined last year) being the only ones most likely re-signed (maybe Yip, UFA) as well as a backup. Not signing Blum and Hali saved $1.3.

So, as I see it, we should have around $7-ish after signing a backup, the RFA's, and the #4. If SK hits the K, that bumps up to $10-ish.
I doubt we re-up Yip. We are almost at the 50 max contracts and have his replacement in Milwaukee.

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I am LIVID about Hali and Blum. Absolutely livid. Not qualifying them is absolutely horrible asset management, and saying so just makes their value even smaller.

Hopefully he can get a 2nd for both or something.
number of contracts I think have as much to do with this as anything else. I detailed it earlier. We could give them QO, but SK would def need to take a hike and Hellburg would be the backup goaltender.

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As far as the cap goes, we currently sit with $12.1 in room with Spaling and Brennen ($1.6 combined last year) being the only ones most likely re-signed (maybe Yip, UFA) as well as a backup. Not signing Blum and Hali saved $1.3.

So, as I see it, we should have around $7-ish after signing a backup, the RFA's, and the #4. If SK hits the K, that bumps up to $10-ish.
Don't forget the Poile factor he has yet to spend within 3 mil of the cap in any year
06-07 was the closest he ever came at 3.75 mil below the cap.


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So your telling me Jones is not being hyped to be the overall best NHL ready dman to hit the draft in 15-20 years. Name me some who were projected to go #1 and had the hype scouting reports Jones does?
2008 the Luke Schenn hype, given it was likely due to the Leafs 5th pick overall and everyone knows the Leafs always pick the best player in the draft no matter what position they draft. Ironic that was the same draft we get Josi at 38 overall in the second round as well.

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Don't forget the Poile factor he has yet to spend within 3 mil of the cap in any year
06-07 was the closest he ever came at 3.75 mil below the cap.


That has as much, if not more, to do with what the owners will spend.

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That has as much, if not more, to do with what the owners will spend.
How many years have we had the current owners?????

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more, from interview with GMDP on 102.5:

-Bad season, doesn't want to dwell on it.
-Doesn't know who they're going to get at 4, but they do know they're going to get one of their four top rated players.
-Will talk to TB and FLA to see what it would take to move up, but at end of the day they're going to fine and get a "really good player"
-Doesn't hurt to listen to offers for picks, but realizes that best deals come on the draft floor. Thinks there may be an offer out there that would make him think long and hard.
-Thinks 4 or 5 players are in a class by themselves, not much separating those players. Cites Avs taking Mackinnon over Jones as proof.
-Confirmed that they are moving on from Blum and Halischuk. Cites the bad year and their lack of size as two determining factors. Don't want to come back with exactly the same lineup. Says he admits letting either go could end up a mistake, and he hopes so. Wishes them well in their careers.
-Poile thinks winning teams are a mixture of work ethic, skill, luck, health, experience
-Referred to the result in PHX as "a goof-up" and "devastating," getting beaten in the way they were.
-List of UFA Gs they will talk to on July 5. Could use a MKE goaltender if need be, but preference is a veteran.

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Nevermind. I misread what was said. Carry on.


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