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06-25-2013, 05:00 PM
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I really don't want it to be true...

But for next year at least, if Sather doesn't rework the roster or our young guys don't explode; yea, I would take that bet. And add that VAN makes it out of the first round.
I was in a rhetoric doozy with Chosen

Not really a legitimate claim or thought of mine.

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06-25-2013, 05:00 PM
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I also think its funny how Torts said he's spoken with AV every other day for two weeks, but whenever a specific question came, he claimed to know nothing about the players.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS SOMETIMES.
Did you want him to regurgitate AV's opinion of the players? Or formulate his own in time? ZOMG COME AWN TORTOLLINI Y U SO BAD??

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06-25-2013, 05:02 PM
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I was in a rhetoric doozy with Chosen

Not really a legitimate claim or thought of mine.
No I know. It was entertaining to watch happen from the sidelines. Just having some fun. Because obviously we really won't know anything until next season either way.

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I love how there were VAN players there compared to NYR press conference where there was nobody there. We had more of a formal deal at RCMH though

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Did you want him to regurgitate AV's opinion of the players? Or formulate his own in time? ZOMG COME AWN TORTOLLINI Y U SO BAD??
Obvs regurgitate.

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06-25-2013, 05:09 PM
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Torts just said he's been exchanging notes with AV for two weeks.

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06-25-2013, 05:14 PM
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Twitter-prude.
says the guy that won't voluntarily give me his phone number and meet up with me for alcohol.

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Get a room, you two. Keep it on topic.

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says the guy that won't voluntarily give me his phone number and meet up with me for alcohol.
That has NOTHING TO DO WITH TWITTER.

edit: yeah, Cresty, keep it one topic.

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That has NOTHING TO DO WITH TWITTER.

edit: yeah, Cresty, keep it one topic.
Can I have your Twitter phone number?

On behalf of -31-, I would like to say this is a very exciting time for him and I as Vancouverite Rangers fan. The blood of 1994 thickens the intensity of our fan-ship and contentious presence in this country and now with the coaching swap, we are looking forward to interesting things. We will post articles from the local media whenever there's an interesting one.

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AV is a terrific coach. I'm still mad we fired him, but a 'change' was needed for our horrible fan base.

You guys are lucky and will love him - he couldn't be a better fit IMO.

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I get more excited about Vigneault as the days go on. Eager to see what he does here.

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06-25-2013, 10:02 PM
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Because of course, a better coach would garner better results than a lesser coach every single season....

This is why probability should be taught to everyone.
I actually majored in math and was quite fond of probability and statistics, but thanks for the tip.

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you are slippery sloping. Do you believe Vigeault is worse than Torts? Since you believe that he is worse than Torts, if he were to coach the Rangers this upcoming season and the one after that, you are saying they would never pass get to the ECF or the 2nd round. Correct?
Incorrect.

I never said Torts was better than Vigneault. I have said that before, here. I have no idea who is better. You have no idea who is better.

My whole point is that no one here has more than a guess as to who is the better coach. Yet, that stops no one from being sure that one is better than the other.

It's the being so sure in either direction that I find funny. Toss in those that throw in made-up specifics , metrics, or percentages, and I find it to be even funnier.

Judging players is one thing. We, as fans can reach conclusions that will be right more often than wrong. We can compare them to other players. There is no way that I know of to conclusively judge a coach against another unless one is horrific. There are very few of those.

There is a reason coaches constantly recycle throughout sports.

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Torts was a good coach for 4.5 years, he brought a lot of good things to the team, discipline, accountability and a sense of identity.
After 4.5 years, the team needed a change.
They brought in AV to move the team in a new direction, more offensively oriented, without forgetting about the defensive side.

Interesting fact:
Since 2008-2009,
Offensively:
Canucks averaged 3.07 goals/game, fifth in the NHL.
Rangers were 19th, averaging 2.72 goals/game.
Defensively:
Rangers were second in the NHL with 2.48 goals allowed/game.
Canucks were third in the league at 2.52.

I find it interesting that the so called defensive system under Torts was barely better than the Canucks under AV, and this with Hank backstopping the Rangers.
I would guess that the twins affected those numbers.

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06-25-2013, 10:53 PM
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I would guess that the twins affected those numbers.
The defensive numbers?

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Incorrect.

I never said Torts was better than Vigneault. I have said that before, here. I have no idea who is better. You have no idea who is better.

My whole point is that no one here has more than a guess as to who is the better coach. Yet, that stops no one from being sure that one is better than the other.

It's the being so sure in either direction that I find funny. Toss in those that throw in made-up specifics , metrics, or percentages, and I find it to be even funnier.

Judging players is one thing. We, as fans can reach conclusions that will be right more often than wrong. We can compare them to other players. There is no way that I know of to conclusively judge a coach against another unless one is horrific. There are very few of those.

There is a reason coaches constantly recycle throughout sports.
I am in favor of AV because of a change, a new direction, new blood and a renewed chance to win a cup with a different system which will replace an old one that I did not believe in. I don't like to bring in specifics on AV because I don't like to take in what he did in Van into what he will do in NY. I base my preference toward AV on my lack of faith in Torts's approach with us (not as a coach entirely, just his approach in the last season).

I don't think I made any strong assertions that AV is much superior to Torts to Torts is a bad coach and instead, I showed preference toward AV, and remarked that Torts's work in NY has come to more or less of an end because his approach to the playoffs and overall philosophy hasn't been dominant and doesn't look like it will become dominant and is therefore bad and undesirable.

Most of the posts I had were about the weird questions such as whether we would have won a cup, win multiple cups in the past years, win cup this year had we had AV because AV would definitively do better than Torts by reaching ECF, SCF, winning the cup (1 step up on Torts) or if Torts held back the team and impeded their natural claim to the cup etc. or how you chose to define "better" and tried to operationalize the term by insisting that a better coach would automatically give better results and have taken us further than we did the last two years (implying cup, SCF or ECF at the least).

For example, something like... because I believe AV is a better coach and because you think that a better coach automatically equates to better results, NYR would have won a cup in the last two years and that would mean we have a championship capable team and then somehow that means I think we have a better roster than BOS or CHI and then you made the point about how if I think we have a better roster than BOS or CHI, you would disagree with me on that. It just didn't make sense.

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How this whole thing plays out for you guys will depend heavily on the players.

Vigneault doesn't really micromanage, so your players have to hold themselves accountable for their own play.

I'd say his biggest weakness is his X&O's. Over the course of a regular season, he may adjust. In a 7 game series however, he gets out-coached quite a bit because he sticks to the same tactics and refuses to change. Could work if your team stays disciplined enough.

Other than that, he gives his favourite veteran players free reign. For example, Bieksa was great for us in 2011, but was utter garbage the next two years due to one mental gaffe after another. He won't bench his veterans. So what Torts did to Brad Richards, you probably won't see that with AV.

He's pretty good at developing young players. A lot of patience, sheltering them and slowly adding responsibilities as they demonstrate they can take on extra duties. Bottom line for young players who want ice time under Vigneault is being able to play at least average defense. Anything less than that without offensive contributions it's off to the pressbox or the minors. It'll take a few seasons to show, but he did develop Kesler, Burrows, Hansen, Bieksa and quite a few of our core guys.

Expect to see your best offensive players to see a 60-70% offensive zone start, and your checking line a 60-70% defensive zone starts.

AV traditionally likes to run with two scoring lines, one checking and an energy 4th line. Pretty standard.

He's pretty reserved in front of the camera, so no more media gong show like you guys had with Torts. Though I expect Torts learned his lesson and likely won't make the same mistakes he did in NY.

Also, don't expect him to flip out at his team. Don't think we've ever heard of or seen that.

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The defensive numbers?
The offensive numbers for sure. I didn't watch them enough to know if they affected the defensive numbers.

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I am in favor of AV because of a change, a new direction, new blood and a renewed chance to win a cup with a different system which will replace an old one that I did not believe in. I don't like to bring in specifics on AV because I don't like to take in what he did in Van into what he will do in NY. I base my preference toward AV on my lack of faith in Torts's approach with us (not as a coach entirely, just his approach in the last season).

I don't think I made any strong assertions that AV is much superior to Torts to Torts is a bad coach and instead, I showed preference toward AV, and remarked that Torts's work in NY has come to more or less of an end because his approach to the playoffs and overall philosophy hasn't been dominant and doesn't look like it will become dominant and is therefore bad and undesirable.

Most of the posts I had were about the weird questions such as whether we would have won a cup, win multiple cups in the past years, win cup this year had we had AV because AV would definitively do better than Torts by reaching ECF, SCF, winning the cup (1 step up on Torts) or if Torts held back the team and impeded their natural claim to the cup etc. or how you chose to define "better" and tried to operationalize the term by insisting that a better coach would automatically give better results and have taken us further than we did the last two years (implying cup, SCF or ECF at the least).

For example, something like... because I believe AV is a better coach and because you think that a better coach automatically equates to better results, NYR would have won a cup in the last two years and that would mean we have a championship capable team and then somehow that means I think we have a better roster than BOS or CHI and then you made the point about how if I think we have a better roster than BOS or CHI, you would disagree with me on that. It just didn't make sense.
I have no issues with replacing Torts for a change of pace. I just think that appraising how it will turn out is equal to the flip of a coin.

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Vigneault Q & A on 7/5.

Does anyone know what he means by the 3 hour rule?


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Vigneault Q & A on 7/5.

Does anyone know what he means by the 3 hour rule?

Didn't watch it but could it mean players have to be at the arena 3 hours before the game?

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Vigneault Q & A on 7/5.

Does anyone know what he means by the 3 hour rule?
Pretty sure it refers to the team only being allowed to have 3 hours of practice per day for a certain period of time at the start of training camp. That's why AV doesn't want to waste it on video. At least that's my take.

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Pretty sure it refers to the team only being allowed to have 3 hours of practice per day for a certain period of time at the start of training camp. That's why AV doesn't want to waste it on video. At least that's my take.
That's how I interpreted it as well.

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