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10-18-2006, 01:34 PM
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How long until Bobby Clarke make a big trade. If they lose there next two or three games, will see a major shakeup in Philly.

And knowing Bobby Clarke, it's gonna a be a trade that doesn't address any of their glaring needs. He'll go out and get another slow footed defensman.

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10-18-2006, 01:35 PM
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baumgartner would be the most usefull to us, but really there is no place for him

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Now if only we could convince Clarke to make a trade that would bring Jeff Carter to the Habs. - They are stacked at centre...

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And knowing Bobby Clarke, it's gonna a be a trade that doesn't address any of their glaring needs. He'll go out and get another slow footed defensman.
exactly, I think the flyers have needed a goalie since hextall

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we won't sign Nedved... we have no defensive room for Baumgartner... niko might fit in... but who knows.. i think a lot of teams around the league are considering all 3

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exactly, I think the flyers have needed a goalie since hextall
uh oh... i smell abby for gagne rumors on the horizon

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I have always liked Baumgartner going back to junior days. I think of him as kind of a poor man's Craig Rivet. A jack of all trades, master of none, who has some shortcomings but generally works hard and knows how to play the game. He's actually the kind of 5th-6th defenseman who some people seem to be referring to when they talk about Rivet but get confused about NHL defensive depth charts.

If you can play him in a limited role and not expect too much from him he can do a pretty decent job. I don't think it's indicative of anything much that he managed to get 1 point more than each of Ohlund, Salo, and Jovanovski last year, that was just an anomaly, a good bit of PP time, injuries to those other guys, plus they didn't over-use him in other situations.

At $1.2M, though, it's not really a long-term option for us... maybe you could argue that he's a bit better than Streit as a temporary replacement for Dandenault, but we're not really looking at *that* long without Dandy and Cube, so eventually a $1.2M 8th defenseman becomes a bit unwieldy.

Streit has been biding his time, he deserves this chance, it would be rather disruptive to bring in somebody just for a short period and bump him, particularly somebody coming from the ashes of whatever's happening in Philly. So I don't think Baumgartner is really an option for us right now. He's no saviour, just another guy you'd have to monitor how much you rely on. But hopefully he lands somewhere, he should be in the league IMO.

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10-18-2006, 01:39 PM
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Does anyone recall a Phily troll who 'educated' us before the game with the Habs about the fact that the Flyers have 5 centers who are all better than any on the Habs (with the implied exception of Koivu)? One of the 5 (Nedved) has now been waived and the Flyers, rather than soaring like eagles, are floundering.

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And knowing Bobby Clarke, it's gonna a be a trade that doesn't address any of their glaring needs. He'll go out and get another slow footed defensman.
Let's start the Souray to Philly proposals.

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What's funny is that I think the Flyers have their goalie of the future in Antero Niitymaki, I think he's very good, the problem is he's got a hip problem and they're not sure if he can handle the full load this year, so there's stuck with a problem. If they go out and acquire a goalie, what happens to Niitymaki next year?

No one wants Esche so they'll most likely have to waive him...they need to add mobility to their defense but defense is probably the hardest position you can trade for. Teams aren't interested in trading their defensman unless they've got great depth (Stars for example). So good luck with that Bobby

Unless the Flyers are willing to part with one of their youngsters, Richards, Carter or Umberger...the Flyers are going to have to bite the bullet and hope things turn around, if they don't, look for Forsberg to be moved at the deadling due to his impending UFA status.

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Let's start the Souray to Philly proposals.
for Forsberg and Gagné. maybe Habs should add that 2nd rounder?

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Let's start the Souray to Philly proposals.
Could be a possibility, but unlikely IMO...I also don't think Souray is slow, he's got mobility issues, but he isn't slow IMO.

I like Souray, if it wasn't for the fact that his booming PP shot will get him top $ on the open market, i'd love to have him back at a moderate price.

Some team is going to blow their cap space signing Souray next year, you watch

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Pass on all three. Nedved is washed up and expensive at $2.28m per. Dimitrakos doesn't fill a glaring weakness in our roster, so it is a waste of money. Baumgartner is a career minor leaguer. As was mentioned on the main board thread, the money spent on these three would have resigned Kim Jonsson, or at least gone a long way.

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uh oh... i smell abby and a 2nd round pick for gagne rumors on the horizon
Fixed it for ya!

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And knowing Bobby Clarke, it's gonna a be a trade that doesn't address any of their glaring needs. He'll go out and get another slow footed defensman.
I don't think so. Clarke realized his potential mistakes on that front a LOOOONG time ago. Did you see the last Flyers draft? Did you see all the nifty little Swiss leaguer free agent types he brought over? If anything, he's going to swing too hard the other way in his ongoing effort to overcompensate. It's true, teams do have more room for smaller, faster, more talented players now. And he'll get a good player out of Giroux and some of the other kids he drafted eventually. But the team that lost hideously last night wasn't losing purely because of slow-footed behometh dmen or anything. There was just Hatcher. The Flyers have lost a lot of size and/or physicality recently with Primeau, Handzus, Roenick, and Rathje out... they don't have too much farther to go in that direction...

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Samsonov for Pitkanen....take it or leave it.....

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10-18-2006, 01:53 PM
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Nolan Baumgartner = No, because we could call up Jancevski or Traverse and it would be probably better. He'll probably go through unclaimed.

Petr Nedved = Hmmm....He's getting ancient, he's earning too much cashola (2.36M), but if he were cheap, I'd probably pick him to try him between our Russians. But right now, no. He could be claimed by somebody in desperate need of an offensive center that have the cap space. Potential Suitors? St. Louis, Washington...you know, those guys...He could be claimed.

Niko Dimitrakos = No, we have depth at wings coming out from our ears, asides, he's small, and I think our bottom six is just fine as is thank you. But at 675,000$, I can see a bottom feeding team take a shot at him.

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I like Dimitrakos.

. i like him also

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Nedved could make us a better team up the midle. We keep koivu,plekanec and bonk as are 1,2,3 centers, With downey out for a bit we could move begin to the wing. (Begin is a better player when hes a winger as he plays with more intensity) and give latendresse a guy that has some offensive punch.

Begin-nedved-latendresse. Not to bad for a 4th line.

If only nedev was making a million less I would jump all over this oportunity.


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Nedved could make us a better team up the midle. We keep koivu,plekanec and bonk as are 1,2,3 centers, With downey out for a bit we could move begin to the wing. (Begin is a better player when hes a winger as he plays with more intensity) and give latendresse a guy that has some offensive punch.

Begin-nedved-latendresse. Not to bad for a 4th line.
A fourth line centre with a 2.28 million cap hit interesting

I just saw you edited your post hahaha

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Habs won't pickup either one of those...unless Eklund says otherwise with an E4 tag

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I don't think so. Clarke realized his potential mistakes on that front a LOOOONG time ago. Did you see the last Flyers draft? Did you see all the nifty little Swiss leaguer free agent types he brought over? If anything, he's going to swing too hard the other way in his ongoing effort to overcompensate. It's true, teams do have more room for smaller, faster, more talented players now. And he'll get a good player out of Giroux and some of the other kids he drafted eventually. But the team that lost hideously last night wasn't losing purely because of slow-footed behometh dmen or anything. There was just Hatcher. The Flyers have lost a lot of size and/or physicality recently with Primeau, Handzus, Roenick, and Rathje out... they don't have too much farther to go in that direction...
I was only kidding...

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I would pick up Dimitrakos. He's awesome.

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I see Nedved going to Atlanta.

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How long until Bobby Clarke make a big trade. If they lose there next two or three games, will see a major shakeup in Philly.
WAIVE'EM ALL Clarkey WAIVE'eM !!!!!!!!

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