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05-17-2013, 10:17 AM
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Are Bozak and Kessel so close that it's a combo deal?

With Kessel heading towards free agency next year, I have a feeling Bozak is going to cash and Kessel will be right behind him.

$5M for Bozak and $8.5M for Kessel on an extension.

...I see that Dreger is already spreading the message that Bozak should sign for less because he's in a good situation.
No of course not, Kessel will only get better if Bozak were to leave and he knows this. The only thing holding Kessel back from being one of the greatest in the game is playing with a C that just cannot control the puck.
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Bozak is basically a younger version of Matt Cullen, IMO.
Perfect comparison.

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05-17-2013, 10:40 AM
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I'd give him 3-3.5 Even that 3.5 I'd cringe at, but hopefully there's a discount in there.

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05-17-2013, 11:31 AM
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I'd give him 3-3.5 Even that 3.5 I'd cringe at, but hopefully there's a discount in there.
Zero value to Leaf's in trade; UFA

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4 million for a few years and I'll be ok

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4 million for a few years and I'll be ok
Still too high, Toronto wants to be a cap-wise team like St. Louis. We can't afford two centers' salaries adding up to almost 10 million dollars when neither are 1st line centers.

Only case I would give Bozak 4 million is for 1 or 2 years.

1 year: $4,250,000
2 years: $4,000,000
3 years: $3,750,000
4 years: $3,500,000
5 years: $3,250,000

He can probably get more from a non playoff team.

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If Bozak doesn't take 3.75mil at most, I think you just let him walk. Even at 3.5mil, I'd prefer to just let him go. I'd rather use Kadri and Grabo in our top 6 and allow Colborne to move into the top 9. Colborne is the big, puck posession center we need and it's time he got a chance with the big club. I'm not sure how he pans out, but I wouldn't hold it against him to enter our top 6, especially if he gets the chance to play with Lupul/Frattin/Kessel/JVR (maybe Clarkson, or whomever else we may add)- which ever combination he gets to go with. However, it's more likely he fits into the 3rd line C role.

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05-17-2013, 01:46 PM
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Still too high, Toronto wants to be a cap-wise team like St. Louis. We can't afford two centers' salaries adding up to almost 10 million dollars when neither are 1st line centers.

Only case I would give Bozak 4 million is for 1 or 2 years.

1 year: $4,250,000
2 years: $4,000,000
3 years: $3,750,000
4 years: $3,500,000
5 years: $3,250,000

He can probably get more from a non playoff team.
That's why I'd be ok at 4 for 3 year. I don't think we can really afford to lose him over 500k/per for 3 years. Would I like him at 3.5 or so absolutely, but I don't see it happening. Not with the terrible crop of UFA centers this year. While not ideal on the #1 line, he is still a VERY useful player

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A penny over 3.5 million and he's overpaid (Kyle Turris money).

With an elite C playing above him, he can pull off the top 6 C role.. But 3rd line - PK/FO specialist is ideal.
Yep. And if he does ask anything north of 3.5, let him walk, we have Kadri, Grabovski, McClement, and Colborne. IMO a fine centre line up for now. If we can draft Frederik Gauthier that would also help give us size down the middle.

Also he won't go to Colorado. They're so full on forwards. Especially if he asks 4M +

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05-19-2013, 01:38 PM
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3.5 seems fair, I think I prefer him over Grabo. Under Carlyle atleast.

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Any word on if the Leafs will retain Bozak?

What will he get in free agency, if not?


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06-26-2013, 04:43 AM
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If Nonis was sincere about improving the team, they should be pursuing Weiss.

Thanks for the years, Tyler!

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06-26-2013, 05:32 AM
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Bolland has one more year on his deal at 3.3m
I would love it, and since Chicago is deperate for 2nd line center and looking for cap relief it kinda of makes some sense. doubt it happens though

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06-26-2013, 06:05 AM
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His agent is starting at $5 million, the team will probably start at $3 million and he will sign for $4 million for 5 years. Sounds reasonable to me unless Toronto can sign someone like Filppula instead, and that sounds like a better option to me.

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06-26-2013, 08:00 AM
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The people suggesting...$3m, 3.5m, really don't seem to be in touch with reality.

As one poster mentioned -- look at the centres under 30 that are UFAs.... Weiss, Roy, Bozak, Wellwood. To sign Roy or Wellwood, you have to be looking at them playing with a couple of big wingers. For everyone else, that leaves Bozak and Weiss, who is coming off surgery. The consensus is that Weiss is going to get upwards of $5m.

If that is the case, the reason he'll get offered $5m, is because a 2nd team is offering $4.9m (or $5m). That team is going to go right after Bozak, and have $4.9m to spend. He's definitely the centre most similar to Weiss available.

As for whether or not Toronto will be the team to offer Bozak his fair market value -- that will be determined based on what our next best alternative is. The Leafs have 2 easily movable pieces -- Grabovski & Liles. If they can convert those assets into a centre that compliments Kessel better than Bozak, then Bozak will be gone. Otherwise, the Leafs won't have any better options than paying Bozak his fair market value somewhere between $4 and $5.5m.

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06-26-2013, 08:06 AM
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The people suggesting...$3m, 3.5m, really don't seem to be in touch with reality.

As one poster mentioned -- look at the centres under 30 that are UFAs.... Weiss, Roy, Bozak, Wellwood. To sign Roy or Wellwood, you have to be looking at them playing with a couple of big wingers. For everyone else, that leaves Bozak and Weiss, who is coming off surgery. The consensus is that Weiss is going to get upwards of $5m.

If that is the case, the reason he'll get offered $5m, is because a 2nd team is offering $4.9m (or $5m). That team is going to go right after Bozak, and have $4.9m to spend. He's definitely the centre most similar to Weiss available.

As for whether or not Toronto will be the team to offer Bozak his fair market value -- that will be determined based on what our next best alternative is. The Leafs have 2 easily movable pieces -- Grabovski & Liles. If they can convert those assets into a centre that compliments Kessel better than Bozak, then Bozak will be gone. Otherwise, the Leafs won't have any better options than paying Bozak his fair market value somewhere between $4 and $5.5m.
Or think he simply isn't a very good hockey player and doesn't deserve a penny more.

You know how every year you look at a deal and bite your tongue thinking of just how awful it is? That's going to be Tyler Bozak in 3 weeks.

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06-26-2013, 08:11 AM
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Or think he simply isn't a very good hockey player and doesn't deserve a penny more.

You know how every year you look at a deal and bite your tongue thinking of just how awful it is? That's going to be Tyler Bozak in 3 weeks.
Tyler Bozak DESERVES what the market is willing to pay -- not a penny less and not a penny more.

Yes, every year there are deals which we all think the team is eventually going to regret... but signing Tyler Bozak at $4.5m for 5 years cannot be evaluated against the alternative of signing him for $3.5m for 3 years, because signing him at $3.5m for 3 years was never an option to begin with.

It must be evaluated against the next best alternative, which may be Stephen Weiss at $5.5m for 6 years, or trading assets to have Paul Stastny at $6.6m for 1 year, or having Nazem Kadri as the team's #1C, or signing some ill-fitted centre like Roy or Ribeiro (in which case it probably costs you Kessel next year), or some other option that hasn't been beaten to death on hfboards.

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06-26-2013, 08:24 AM
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Tyler Bozak DESERVES what the market is willing to pay -- not a penny less and not a penny more.

Yes, every year there are deals which we all think the team is eventually going to regret... but signing Tyler Bozak at $4.5m for 5 years cannot be evaluated against the alternative of signing him for $3.5m for 3 years, because signing him at $3.5m for 3 years was never an option to begin with.

It must be evaluated against the next best alternative, which may be Stephen Weiss at $5.5m for 6 years, or trading assets to have Paul Stastny at $6.6m for 1 year, or having Nazem Kadri as the team's #1C, or signing some ill-fitted centre like Roy or Ribeiro (in which case it probably costs you Kessel next year), or some other option that hasn't been beaten to death on hfboards.
That's why he won't be a Leaf next season.

Some of the league will view him as a "defensive/faceoff guy that can log minutes and play the C effectively. Toronto will view him as that guy that represented 3 years of having absolutely no center depth and held the team back.

He's just not good. I'm convinced any GM that signs this guy is just signing the prospect of having another C regardless of what they actually think of him.

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That's why he won't be a Leaf next season.

Some of the league will view him as a "defensive/faceoff guy that can log minutes and play the C effectively. Toronto will view him as that guy that represented 3 years of having absolutely no center depth and held the team back.

He's just not good. I'm convinced any GM that signs this guy is just signing the prospect of having another C regardless of what they actually think of him.
No. The reason he may not be a Leaf next season is if Toronto has a better alternative at the price required to sign Bozak. Decisions on players aren't made based on what they represent. They're made on what the GM feels is the best interest of the team.

You talk about Bozak representing 3 years of having no centre depth and holding the team back, that lack of centre depth should and will be fresh in the mind of Nonis when he's looking at his options regarding his #1C. Generally, letting your #1 centre walk as a UFA isn't the way you "fix" the position.

I'm curious as to what you think will make Toronto a better team than signing Bozak for 5 years at $4.5m?

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He's going to get between 3.5 - 4.5 in Toronto. Anything above those numbers is over-payment.

I'd rather have Weiss to be honest.
4.5 has been my guess all along, and it is overpayment. Not sure that I would rather have Weiss, though.

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Bolland has one more year on his deal at 3.3m
Bozak has no years left.

I'd say 3.5-4

Bozak is a good number 2 and great number 3.

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