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06-25-2013, 06:48 PM
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Me too.

I think it's going to be...

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Schenn - Read
Clarkson - Couturier - Cleary
Rinaldo - Laughton - Talbot

Or something similar to that anyway.
My guess:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds (Simmonds has stated he dislikes playing LW, Read is fine on LW)
UFA/McGinn - Couturier - UFA
Talbot - Laughton - Rinaldo

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06-25-2013, 07:05 PM
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Only reason I'd want Dupuis is for Penguin trolling purposes.

Otherwise, I don't want to touch that with a 10 foot pole

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06-25-2013, 07:54 PM
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Only reason I'd want Dupuis is for Penguin trolling purposes.

Otherwise, I don't want to touch that with a 10 foot pole
Didn't watch him much did you?

Very, very good player. Likely too pricey, but would be an excellent fit on this team considering the struggles we had with defensive forward play last season.

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06-25-2013, 08:08 PM
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I would definitely make a push for Dupuis. I couldn't care less that he was a Penguin before. So was Talbot.

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Should be Schenn and Simmonds one the 2nd line.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Clarkson - Laughton - Gagne

Read+ traded for 1st.

Schenn needs to be on Giroux's line so that in the defensive zone Schenn can be the one to take the centers defensive responsibilities (something that Giroux isn't very good at and Schenn should be much better than him). I'd also rather have Read over Clarkson but if we had to lose someone from one of our top 9 IMO it should be Hartnell. Read is a better rounded player and plays better defense than Hartnell and I also think that Hartnell could return more in a trade.

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06-25-2013, 08:18 PM
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Didn't watch him much did you?

Very, very good player. Likely too pricey, but would be an excellent fit on this team considering the struggles we had with defensive forward play last season.
I watched EVERY Pens game this year (unless the Flyers were on at the same time) and guess what, when Crosby wasn't in the lineup he was a ghost, absolutely invisible and made absolutely no contributions to the games. Truth be told, Read is more likely the better player of the 2. Crosby could make ME a 30 goal scorer in the league. I'm not saying Dupris is trash but Crosby makes him look a whole lot better than he really is.

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06-25-2013, 08:21 PM
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Lets hope Lavy gives him some good minutes and some decent linemates to play along side, not the 8 minutes per game and the stone hands line-mates he received last season.

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06-25-2013, 08:27 PM
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Hartnell would do wonders for Coots, they should definitely start out the season together

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06-25-2013, 08:40 PM
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Should be Schenn and Simmonds one the 2nd line.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Couturier - Simmonds
Clarkson - Laughton - Gagne

Read+ traded for 1st.
I think this is a good idea but I'd be shocked if Clarkson was coming here.
Stahlberg I think is the guy though he may not be a big enough splash.
Whoever they get to work with Couturier they better get someone who can help get the puck out of the defensive zone as Lavy has Cooter starting in the defense zone way out of proportion to everyone else.

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06-25-2013, 08:41 PM
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Hartnell would do wonders for Coots, they should definitely start out the season together
Would you be willing to try one of McGinn, Akeson, Raffl, Flanagan, Straka, Noebels, Cousins, etc on G's other wing?

That or Gagne I guess....

Unless you're acquiring somebody via trade or free-agency, that's what that means.

xxxxx - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Hartnell - Couturier - xxxxx

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06-25-2013, 08:46 PM
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I want them to bring Gagne back and put him on Coot's wing, but if he wasn't signed by this point, I don't think the flyers plan on bringing him back.

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06-25-2013, 08:59 PM
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I watched EVERY Pens game this year (unless the Flyers were on at the same time) and guess what, when Crosby wasn't in the lineup he was a ghost, absolutely invisible and made absolutely no contributions to the games. Truth be told, Read is more likely the better player of the 2. Crosby could make ME a 30 goal scorer in the league. I'm not saying Dupris is trash but Crosby makes him look a whole lot better than he really is.
Interesting...

2012-2013
Pascal Dupuis games played with Crosby: 36
Points in Games with Crosby: 24
PPG with Crosby: .666

Pascal Dupuis games played w/o Crosby: 12
Points in Games w/o Crosby: 12
PPG w/o Crosby: 1.0

Small sample size, so let's look at 2011-2012!

2011-2012
Pascal Dupuis games played with Crosby: 15
Points in Games with Crosby: 14
PPG with Crosby: .933

Pascal Dupuis games played w/o Crosby: 67
Points in Games w/o Crosby: 45
PPG w/o Crosby: .672

Let's combine 2011-2013
PPG w/ Crosby: 0.745 (51 games)
PPG w/o Crosby: 0.722 (79 games)

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06-25-2013, 09:04 PM
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My guess:

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds (Simmonds has stated he dislikes playing LW, Read is fine on LW)
UFA/McGinn - Couturier - UFA
Talbot - Laughton - Rinaldo
looks like I think it will be except

Gagne - Coots - McGinn (maybe Malone if he is bought out)

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06-25-2013, 09:34 PM
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Am I the only one that wants something like this:
Hartnell-G-Voracek (I realize they'd be out of position but maybe get Jagr/Iginla on a 1 year and put them on the LW)
Schenn-Couts-Simmonds
Read-Laughton-Mcginn
Talbot-Rinaldo-xxx
If one could play LW and be had for a 1 year drop Hartsy down to the 3rd line?

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06-25-2013, 10:06 PM
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looks like I think it will be except

Gagne - Coots - McGinn (maybe Malone if he is bought out)
This is the kind of scenario I am hoping they avoid. I don't want Couturier to languish.

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If a good trade doesn't materialize for him, I'd like Read to start on Couturier's wing, along with a player like Chad LaRose. I wouldn't mind Gagne or even Talbot as the other winger. However, as much as it is a good exercise to ponder for the health of Couturier's development, filling a 3rd line wing position isn't where Paul Holmgren's brain cells should be congregating at this point in the off-season. Priorities are:
- 1B (1A?) goaltender
- Possible top-pairing defenseman: who might be available and for how much?
- Scoring winger for 2nd line with Schenn / Simmonds

I'm okay with resigning Gagne as a 2/3-line winger for $2.5 - 3 mil and keeping cap space available to upgrade within the season, since the UFA stock is mediocre.

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06-26-2013, 04:26 AM
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At this point Laughton should get serious considerations for play on Coots wing next season.

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06-26-2013, 09:33 AM
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At this point Laughton should get serious considerations for play on Coots wing next season.
Gagne - Couturier - Laughton would be a ridiculous shut-down line.

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Gagne - Couturier - Laughton would be a ridiculous shut-down line.
Probably wouldn't help the offensive development of either Couturier or Laughton, however. The biggest issue with that line is who would carry the puck in the neutral zone.

For my money, if Read is on this team, he and Sean should be attached. Sean would greatly benefit from having a player of Read's skillset able to mask some of his skating and puck-handling deficiencies.

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06-26-2013, 10:42 AM
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Would you be willing to try one of McGinn, Akeson, Raffl, Flanagan, Straka, Noebels, Cousins, etc on G's other wing?

That or Gagne I guess....

Unless you're acquiring somebody via trade or free-agency, that's what that means.

xxxxx - Giroux - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Hartnell - Couturier - xxxxx
Be interesting to see someone like Straka's skill with Giroux. Obviouslyyy it's a fan thing but Straka has some skill that really showed last season in juniors. They also expect him to push hard for a spot. He's my "hope" (along with Noebels) for a spot (one of them I mean).

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Be interesting to see someone like Straka's skill with Giroux. Obviouslyyy it's a fan thing but Straka has some skill that really showed last season in juniors. They also expect him to push hard for a spot. He's my "hope" (along with Noebels) for a spot (one of them I mean).
I think Raffl, Akeson, McGinn, Flanagan, and Straka are going to get the longest looks in camp this year.

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I want them to bring Gagne back and put him on Coot's wing, but if he wasn't signed by this point, I don't think the flyers plan on bringing him back.
I don't think that's true. They're just waiting to get the buyouts done. I think Gagne will be back he he agrees to $2m AAV.

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I think Raffl, Akeson, McGinn, Flanagan, and Straka are going to get the longest looks in camp this year.
Agreed but I do think Noebels gets a look. Don't know as much but he was supposed to play with the team last season (the last few games when they made the callups) instead he chose the WC. But I agree. Don't know if they make it but I do think a spot or two are open. One of the reasons why I am doubting Gagne gets resigned. If I'm not mistaken there were article that the team doesn't really feel an urgent need to. Wouldn't be surprised if he's a backup plan.


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Agreed but I do think Noebels gets a look. Don't know as much but he was supposed to play with the team last season (the last few games when they made the callups) instead he chose the WC. But I agree. Don't know if they make it but I do think a spot or two are open. One of the reasons why I am doubting Gagne gets resigned.
I think Gagne's re-signing depends on what happens to Read.

I think we go hard after Clarkson or Stalberg anyway.

The last forward spot on the wing will either go to Laughton (if he isn't penciled as the 4th center), or one of the wingers in our pool, most likely Raffl.

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Gagne - Couturier - Laughton would be a ridiculous shut-down line.
True, but this HAS to be the year he gets top 6 minutes. I just don't see that line scoring very much to be honest. We need Couturier to start becoming Toews, not Dave Bolland.

He needs to produce offensively! More minutes, better linemates, not a rookie and a semi washed up-injury prone winger. This guy was projected to go #1 overall before mono, and yes, a big part was his hockey IQ and amazing defensive instics, but the other big part was the 90+ pointss he put up in Drummondville.

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