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06-25-2013, 12:57 PM
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The only thing funnier than the idea that the Oil would give up one of the big 4 for Giardi is the fact that some Rangers fans actually think that's reasonable. After watching Giardi's work in the playoffs, Im not impressed.

Honestly, you'd think your team had 4 #1Ds....
Anyone can have a bad couple of games.
The stupid Torts system exhausted him and the rest of our backliners the last 2 POs.
Thank fully we will not be having that problem.

Do what you want, I go with the consistent season he had, despite playing hurt from time to time.

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06-25-2013, 01:00 PM
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Might want to check his completely unsustainable shooting percentage...

I think he's more of the player you saw this year than in 2011-2012. This year, he had a shooting percentage that you'd expect from him. He had some insane puck luck in 2011-2012. I really wouldn't be surprised if he never has another season like that again.
are you reffering to how he played half the season with a broken finger?

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Rangers wouldn't even consider it
not only would the rangers consider it they would likely sign him to an extension for 10 years at 15M per season. And then they would buy him out.

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06-25-2013, 01:35 PM
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not only would the rangers consider it they would likely sign him to an extension for 10 years at 15M per season. And then they would buy him out.
And then the Rangers would continue to make the playoffs despite that salary while the Oilers continue to be the irrelevant bottom feeders of the league and are left heartbroken when Justin Schultz gets married and instantly demands a trade out of EDM to a nicer city like Anaheim.

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06-25-2013, 01:38 PM
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All this is crazy. Especially the blockbusters mentioned. Sure, maybe the value is decent. But win now is the must-use strategy and that's more of a rebuild type move to be honest, dealing 3 of our defenseman and a top forward hoping the value back comes even close in the future. But the future shouldn't be looked at as much as now should be. Lundqvist is in his prime. Sure maybe the 7th overall works out. But they can't give up those pieces and bank on it happening, all while Lundqvist gets older and out of his prime. None of these moves are necessary or make sense.

The only moves the Rangers should make is a buy-out of Richards, the re-signing of the RFAs, an extension for Lundqvist, and a trade of MDZ for a top 6 winger. Maye a few minor changes to the bottom 6 but not much more is needed. A major overhaul is not in the works nor should it be. A Staal Skinner trade could be explored, but then keep MDZ and essentially it's achieving a goal. The only trade needed is a Dman for a winger. No to any deals involving Stepan, or Girardi, or Moore, or any of these outlandish proposals. Stick with the same guys, cut Richards, add a top 6 forward. If EDM can't provide that for MDZ then I don't see a deal to be made.

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06-25-2013, 01:47 PM
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The Rangers would need something major to move one of the guys from their top pairing. Futures and maybes aren't going to cut it. We'd need an asset that is ready to make an immediate impact.

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06-25-2013, 02:42 PM
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Eberle for McD would be completely awful for NYR. McD is a top pairing d-man. You don't trade those guys for fringe first line wingers.
Fringe first liner? A guy who finished in the top 15 in scoring the last full year? McD is a fringe top pairing guy. Girardi has one year left and is a RH shot who was invisible in the playoffs the last two years and has limited offensive upside. I don't see the interest from Edm on him.

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06-25-2013, 05:02 PM
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All this is crazy. Especially the blockbusters mentioned. Sure, maybe the value is decent. But win now is the must-use strategy and that's more of a rebuild type move to be honest, dealing 3 of our defenseman and a top forward hoping the value back comes even close in the future. But the future shouldn't be looked at as much as now should be. Lundqvist is in his prime. Sure maybe the 7th overall works out. But they can't give up those pieces and bank on it happening, all while Lundqvist gets older and out of his prime. None of these moves are necessary or make sense.

The only moves the Rangers should make is a buy-out of Richards, the re-signing of the RFAs, an extension for Lundqvist, and a trade of MDZ for a top 6 winger. Maye a few minor changes to the bottom 6 but not much more is needed. A major overhaul is not in the works nor should it be. A Staal Skinner trade could be explored, but then keep MDZ and essentially it's achieving a goal. The only trade needed is a Dman for a winger. No to any deals involving Stepan, or Girardi, or Moore, or any of these outlandish proposals. Stick with the same guys, cut Richards, add a top 6 forward. If EDM can't provide that for MDZ then I don't see a deal to be made.
Completely disagree, and your suggestion is a likely scenario to disaster!

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All this is crazy. Especially the blockbusters mentioned.
Screw the fact that it's a 5 for 5 or whatever that can be broken into 2 or 3 smaller deals, except it's better to have the blockbuster not only to keep better track of things, but to reflect also certain intangible but real aspects of a deal (e.g., Rangers are giving up most of their LD, so other team needs to factor a premium for that).

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Sure, maybe the value is decent.
A swindle is something else that rarely happens. Equal value is rarely sought, and it shouldn't be. Why trade Coke for Pepsi? But look for profitable deals, deals that increase your resources, the number and quality of the horses you have.

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But win now is the must-use strategy
No it is not. The minute you sacrifice a normally successful and profitable approach by overpaying to get over now in the short term, that is where the greatest risk is. If you miss, you're screwed.

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and that's more of a rebuild type move to be honest, dealing 3 of our defenseman and a top forward hoping the value back comes even close in the future.
You're looking only at the price paid. You're not looking at what we get back. It's difficult because it's apples and oranges and we are getting more of one and less of the other and vice versa. But Edmonton gets what it needs, and so do we.

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But the future shouldn't be looked at as much as now should be.
Totally disagree.
MUST use present to set up for the future, which as it turns into the present, makes things better and easier if you are careful.
But if you don't, then you wind up trying to get through each day in the present without getting ahead.

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Lundqvist is in his prime.
All the more reason to push to improve the rest of the team, esp. so if something does happen to HL such as an injury, we still have a good club.

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Sure maybe the 7th overall works out.
That is a higher percentage than not having a 7th.
And you are looking at that as a picture snapshot, not as a moving sequence, which is what life is. We get a 7th. Maybe we keep Staal. Maybe we trade him for 5th overall. Maybe we don't draft 7th. Maybe we try for top 3 pick.
But at least create those options.

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But they can't give up those pieces and bank on it happening, all while Lundqvist gets older and out of his prime.
Yes, they can and should, he will still be an excellent G barring injury, cutting back on total games played as he gets older, but still a dominant G for 5 or so years, and a top tier co-starter for another 5, and that's allowing for age, which he may not feel as others do to a more standard degree.

The real danger is you keep with the same bs that's been going on, and Hank just ups and leaves.


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None of these moves are necessary or make sense.
They are all necessary and make sense.
You, my friend, are just not used to thinking outside the box.

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06-25-2013, 05:05 PM
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The Rangers would need something major to move one of the guys from their top pairing. Futures and maybes aren't going to cut it. We'd need an asset that is ready to make an immediate impact.
And that is why in my scenario where some of it is futures but the other half is Yakupov and J. Schultz, it is enough current return that, while painful, NY can live with it to make progress.

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06-25-2013, 05:07 PM
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And then the Rangers would continue to make the playoffs despite that salary while the Oilers continue to be the irrelevant bottom feeders of the league and are left heartbroken when Justin Schultz gets married and instantly demands a trade out of EDM to a nicer city like Anaheim.
Far be it for me to tell you how to present your self, but I notice this post is today, the Cup is over, Boston and especially Rask choked big time, so you no longer need to keep that avatar!

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And then the Rangers would continue to make the playoffs despite that salary while the Oilers continue to be the irrelevant bottom feeders of the league and are left heartbroken when Justin Schultz gets married and instantly demands a trade out of EDM to a nicer city like Anaheim.
LOL. Awesome

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06-25-2013, 06:21 PM
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would love to get a top 4 defender, but like others have mentioned, it might be a high price to nab Girardi.
We are not giving him away, but he can be had reasonably. Reasonably is not cheap. reasonably is value paid for value rec'd.

Best chance is to make a big package like I did.

Give it a shot.

Feel free to use mine as a base.

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Eberle is good yes, but he is not a TRUE 1st wing.

your argument with that he has 76 points in a bad team is just ****..

Clarke MacArthur was 2 points from winning the leafs points in one season, doesnt mean he is amazing just becuase of that.

Eberle is good, but he is small and imo he will be around 70 points mark, not over 80
This post made me chuckle not a first line winger hey http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seaso...ers-stats.html

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No!!! Ranger for life!!!!!!!!!!!

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Eberle is good yes, but he is not a TRUE 1st wing.

your argument with that he has 76 points in a bad team is just ****..

Clarke MacArthur was 2 points from winning the leafs points in one season, doesnt mean he is amazing just becuase of that.

Eberle is good, but he is small and imo he will be around 70 points mark, not over 80
How many Rangers got over 70 points the last full season? 1. And he doesn't play for you anymore. I'm just sayin......

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Don't take the Mighty Ducks fans to heart. They are still bitter at being shunned by Justin.

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To Edmonton: Bernmeister + 2014 1st

To NYR: The Ghost of Jason Strudwick + Bag of Pucks

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I don't think the Rags deal Girardi unless they perform highway robbery on someone. If they're gonna deal they'd move someone else. Just don't see it happening. Especially with a new coach/system, they'd probably want to see what works first. Just don't see Girardi leaving as he is too valuable.

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To Edmonton: Bernmeister + 2014 1st

To NYR: The Ghost of Jason Strudwick + Bag of Pucks
Lucy, you just so ridiculous!

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If Girardi is in play, I hope the Flames look into him, hes a player we could use.

Pieces in play, as far as we can tell:

Tanguay
Cammy
22nd Overall
28th Overall
Stempniak
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Don't take the Mighty Ducks fans to heart. They are still bitter at being shunned by Justin.
I don't know if you're referring to me, but I'm a Rangers fan.

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i think eager and horcoff = Girardi, gives the rangers the defensive 3C they need (Boyle isnt that guy) and adds some toughness to their wings in Eager who needs a change in scenery.

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ITT: So, EDM wants Girardi but wants to keep all it's worthwhile assets and acquire a former All-Star and warrior extraordinaire. Take scraps plz?

Edmonton of all teams should know that defense is important seeing as your team hasn't played any since the Pronger deal.

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i think eager and horcoff = Girardi, gives the rangers the defensive 3C they need (Boyle isnt that guy) and adds some toughness to their wings in Eager who needs a change in scenery.
A spare forward and a 3C on a terrible contract for a top-pairing defender who plays huge minutes and is one of the better shutdown blueliners in the league. Makes sense.

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i think eager and horcoff = Girardi, gives the rangers the defensive 3C they need (Boyle isnt that guy) and adds some toughness to their wings in Eager who needs a change in scenery.
God this is awful.

5.5M 3rd line center and a 13th forward for a right-handed 1st pairing dmen?

We're not taking Horcoffs terrible contract off your hands. We have no interest in Eager. And Girardi isn't available unless it's an obvious overpayment.

Rangers counter. Hall for Boyle and Asham.

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