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06-26-2013, 06:37 AM
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Homer should talk to Matt Read's agent about a possible bridge contract.

If Read resigns for < 4.5M per for two years (he would still only be 29 years old when the contract ends) that would help a lot.

All of the mentioned options are much more 1 dimensional than Read and would probably demand more money/term wise.

Sign a goalie, add a durable Veteran bottom-6 player with some PK skills and call it day.
Tweak the lineup before the trade deadline if it looks like they are making the playoffs.

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06-26-2013, 08:41 AM
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Homer should talk to Matt Read's agent about a possible bridge contract.

If Read resigns for < 4.5M per for two years (he would still only be 29 years old when the contract ends) that would help a lot.
There's a reason no players really sign for 1 or 2 year contracts. Bridge contracts suck for the players.

In a world of guaranteed contracts, these guys are looking to maximize their years because there is always a risk of injury.

Bridge contracts exist for players who haven't quite broken out yet but expect to do so in the future. GMs keep them cheap for a couple of seasons and, in return, young players get an opportunity to demonstrate their worth, often getting big-time raises.

Read is in a similar situation, but because he's not an RFA, there's no reason to take a bridge contract.

Since he's a UFA, there are plenty of teams that will take a risk on him for big money at a number of years.

He will be looking for 4.50-5.50 over 4-5 years probably, if not 7.

Actually, since he's at a perfect age for this, you could feasibly get him cheaper on a 7/8 year contract. (Flyers could offer him 8 to re-sign him.)

5.5 + 5.5 + 5.5 + 4.5 + 4.5 + 3.5 + 3.0 + 3.0

CAP HIT: 4.375

The truth is that Read is going to want to get paid, he's going to want long-term, and the Flyers would be much better off locking him up sooner rather than later if they feel he is in their long-term plans.

If you lock him up right now, you could potentially get him around 3.75-4.00.

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06-26-2013, 09:43 AM
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8 years is a long time for a player like Read. I'd go to 6 years, $25 million.

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06-26-2013, 09:48 AM
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8 years is a long time for a player like Read. I'd go to 6 years, $25 million.
He might bite on that. 4.17m cap hit wouldn't be too bad.

$4m is the new $3m (compared to back in 08-09).

I'm not too concerned with $4m/y contracts, but when you start creeping to $5m/y, it gets dicey.

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06-26-2013, 10:09 AM
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I want me some Bobby Ryan......
How about we offer Matt Read, Braydon coburn and draft picks (excluding 1st round picks) for Bobby Ryan? Also sign Simon Gagne (2 years total $4 to $5), Rob Scuderi (3 years total $8 to $11 Millions) and Ray Emry (2 years total $3 to $4 Millions).

I am not sure if we can get Tim Thomas for a year or two for $3 to $4 Millions a year then I will go with Tim Thomas over Ray Emry.

I would prefer Bryan Bickell over Simon Gagne. I think teams will over pay for his services. He will cost $3 - $4 Millions a year for 5 to 6 years. Flyers need another LW.

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06-26-2013, 10:50 AM
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I'm not sure everyone is going to like some of these guys once they hear what the going rate for the top forwards is going to be.

Clarkson at 4.5M+?
Horton at 4.5M+?
Stallberg at 3.5M+?
Fillipula at 5M+?
Bickell at 4M+?
Dupuis at 4.5M+?

I'm not sure any of those are really good options, but I guess Stallberg is the most reasonable "bargain" of the group. DuPuis is probably my favorite player in the group with Fillipula a close second.

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06-26-2013, 11:15 AM
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We could try:

D. Cleary for 3 years @ 2-2.5 mil per.
R. Clowe for 3 years @ 3 - 4 mil per

so our LW looks like;
Hartnell
Clowe
Cleary
Rinaldo

This means we don't bring in Gagne and if we do we don't bring in anyone that costs too much.

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06-26-2013, 11:22 AM
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Clarkson is definitely going to be a leaf

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06-26-2013, 11:29 AM
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I hope so. I don't want him here.

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06-26-2013, 11:59 AM
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like I said earlier we already have enough of what Clarkson brings. I think he could end up in Boston if Horton bolts.

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06-26-2013, 12:08 PM
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I don't think Homer is going to trade #11, I think that's just a rumor or something that came up in negotiations but I think it would be more along the lines of Coburn and Read. I think they'll keep #11 and are most likely drafting a defenseman. I think Ryan is a better fit and honestly the rumors aren't going to stop until he's a flyer so I can see this deal happening.

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06-26-2013, 12:45 PM
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I just spit my drink out at the thought of Dupuis on our team... thats just laughable

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06-26-2013, 01:18 PM
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I just spit my drink out at the thought of Dupuis on our team... thats just laughable
Agree. Product of Crosby, IMO. He's a solid player but I don't think he'll ever live up to the money he'll be getting.

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06-26-2013, 01:36 PM
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Horton's apparently looking for a 5 to 6 year deal at around 6 per year. He'll take a discount for Boston though. If that's his going rate, he's going to be waiting for someone for a long time.

As for Clarkson, meh, he's a grinder who's scored a few goals. Nothing special about him either. At this point, Tye McGinn is pretty much a carbon copy Clarkson.

I honestly hope Holmgren does nothing, sits at 11 and instead of going nuts at free agency, he just chills a bit and waits for the first week of the market to die down and then go discount shopping.

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06-26-2013, 01:56 PM
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Horton's apparently looking for a 5 to 6 year deal at around 6 per year. He'll take a discount for Boston though. If that's his going rate, he's going to be waiting for someone for a long time.

As for Clarkson, meh, he's a grinder who's scored a few goals. Nothing special about him either. At this point, Tye McGinn is pretty much a carbon copy Clarkson.

I honestly hope Holmgren does nothing, sits at 11 and instead of going nuts at free agency, he just chills a bit and waits for the first week of the market to die down and then go discount shopping.
It's Paul freakin' Holmgren. Good luck with that.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richa...6#.Ucs30ZyYWM8

Right now, per Cloutier Oilers look for a top-4 defender and may be ready to give up their first rounder.

Would you do

Coburn and 11th pick and 41st pick

for

7th pick and 37th pick.

Point is, with the 7 th overall we get one out of Ristolainen or Nurse 100%.

Overpayment?

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Horton's apparently looking for a 5 to 6 year deal at around 6 per year. He'll take a discount for Boston though. If that's his going rate, he's going to be waiting for someone for a long time.

As for Clarkson, meh, he's a grinder who's scored a few goals. Nothing special about him either. At this point, Tye McGinn is pretty much a carbon copy Clarkson.

I honestly hope Holmgren does nothing, sits at 11 and instead of going nuts at free agency, he just chills a bit and waits for the first week of the market to die down and then go discount shopping.
doubt it

I just hope he doesnt dish out any dumb contracts. Trade Mez. Sign 2 forwards for the 3rd line (Gagne/Larose) and sign a goalie like Emery to a 2 year contract

just be ****ing patient

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06-26-2013, 02:03 PM
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No. Mild interest in Clarkson and no interest in Horton whatsoever. Ryan is destined to be a Flyer.

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It's Paul freakin' Holmgren. Good luck with that.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richa...6#.Ucs30ZyYWM8

Right now, per Cloutier Oilers look for a top-4 defender and may be ready to give up their first rounder.

Would you do

Coburn and 11th pick and 41st pick

for

7th pick and 37th pick.

Point is, with the 7 th overall we get one out of Ristolainen or Nurse 100%.

Overpayment?
I'd rather take my chances that Ristolainen or Nurse fall to 11 than give up Coburn for the guarantee.

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how bout both? dat cap room.

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No. Mild interest in Clarkson and no interest in Horton whatsoever. Ryan is destined to be a Flyer.
2 more years and he is ours without giving anything up... I think the price would be WAY to high to acquire giving up pieces.

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2 more years and he is ours without giving anything up... I think the price would be WAY to high to acquire giving up pieces.
I'm in the same boat.

If he re-sign with ANA, then so be it, but I don't want to give up assets for him. If he really wants to come here, he'll just sign here in 2 years

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It's Paul freakin' Holmgren. Good luck with that.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Richa...6#.Ucs30ZyYWM8

Right now, per Cloutier Oilers look for a top-4 defender and may be ready to give up their first rounder.

Would you do

Coburn and 11th pick and 41st pick

for

7th pick and 37th pick.

Point is, with the 7 th overall we get one out of Ristolainen or Nurse 100%.

Overpayment?
Overpayment.


I'll offer Grossman and the 41st for the 7th. I'll add some more but nothing like Coburn or our 1st. Maybe a solid prospect. Cousins? Gostisbehere?

If they want top 4 defenseman so bad, then this is their chance.

Then I draft Ristolainen and Nurse.

Timonen - Schenn
Streit - Coburn
Gustafsson - Nurse/Ristolainen
Gervais


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I'm in the same boat.

If he re-sign with ANA, then so be it, but I don't want to give up assets for him. If he really wants to come here, he'll just sign here in 2 years
I have a gut feeling he WANTS to be here and will bide his time until then... Muahahaha. then we take over the world!

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Jagr instead of all of them

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I'm in the same boat.

If he re-sign with ANA, then so be it, but I don't want to give up assets for him. If he really wants to come here, he'll just sign here in 2 years
Ryan (28) - Giroux (27) - Voracek (25)
Hartnell (33) - Schenn (23) - Simmonds (26)
Cousins (21) - Couturier (22) - Laughton (21)
Rinaldo (25) - Holmstrom (28) - Talbot (31)

Ristolainen (20) - Schenn (25)
Gustafsson (26) - Coburn (30)
Streit (37) - Grossmann (30)

Mason (27)
Stolarz (21)

That team could be ours. All we have to do is not blow our load early on shiny things.

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