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06-25-2013, 02:39 PM
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Well judging by his actions afterwards the guy sounds like a real baby and deserved it:

http://deadspin.com/lets-watch-a-fly...ium=socialflow

Real class act
He owes the media what again?

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06-25-2013, 03:31 PM
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Well Randy Miller is doing everything he can to help the players decide against playing for the Flyers. This is not the first time he has driven away players. His articles helped trade away Carter and Richards and now they are in LA with a cup.

I feel bad for Bryz.. I hope he goes to another team and dominates again.

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06-25-2013, 04:53 PM
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You have to think Bryz goes back to Phoenix.

Jeez, they Flyers are so stupid. Trading away Richards and Carter to make room for Bryzgalov, only to [compliance] buy him out in the end. Meanwhile, there's a Stanley Cup in Los Angeles thanks to Richards and Carter.

Oh and Bryzgalov is pissedddddddd.
And the Streit trade thread is filled with people defending Holmgren.

Sound familiar?

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06-25-2013, 05:49 PM
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And the Streit trade thread is filled with people defending Holmgren.

Sound familiar?
Every day that goes by I am thankful Holmgren is a GM in our division.

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06-25-2013, 06:38 PM
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You have to think Bryz goes back to Phoenix.

Jeez, they Flyers are so stupid. Trading away Richards and Carter to make room for Bryzgalov, only to [compliance] buy him out in the end. Meanwhile, there's a Stanley Cup in Los Angeles thanks to Richards and Carter.

Oh and Bryzgalov is pissedddddddd.
Look at the haul he got from those deals though! I'd argue that those were good trades either way.

Flyers were horrible last year because of their defense and goaltending, but because Richards and Carter.

Add in stuff like essentially getting Coburn for nothing.

Overall, he has done a OK job.

Bryz is a debacle though.

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06-26-2013, 09:27 AM
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Well judging by his actions afterwards the guy sounds like a real baby and deserved it:

http://deadspin.com/lets-watch-a-fly...ium=socialflow

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Agreed, Bryz might be a headcase but Randy Miller is a steaming turd.

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06-26-2013, 09:44 AM
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Every day that goes by I am thankful Holmgren is a GM in our division.
Don't forget about the original fiscally irresponsible GM, Glen Sather. Looks like Holmgren wants to give Sather a run for his money for who can carelessly spend the most money.

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06-26-2013, 01:05 PM
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McKenzie said Isles haven't committed to a DP buyout but "one would think its likely".

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06-26-2013, 01:20 PM
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McKenzie said Isles haven't committed to a DP buyout but "one would think its likely".
wondering if they are considering:
- it's cheaper if he retires, out of frustration
- it's someone else's problem if I sell the team
- still trying to work out a deal with a cash-rich team such as the leafs
(trade DP for and an asset, like a #1 pick) to the Leafs for future considerations. How much is $24 worth in assets? or worse, if DP stays until the end of his contract if he's NOT bought out.
- still waiting to see if VAN will swap DP (and an asset) for Luongo

I don't think it's an easy call and I'm not surprised that the media hasn't had any clarity thus far. Snow doesn't share anything with the media, ever. And I expect Snow is still looking at all options.

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06-26-2013, 01:23 PM
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McKenzie said Isles haven't committed to a DP buyout but "one would think its likely".
A sensible, rational person would "think it's likely", But this is a Wang owned team, words like sensible or rational do not apply.

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06-26-2013, 01:23 PM
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Here is what Bob Mac said exactly...

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Following teams, IMO, not likely to buy out: ANA, BOS, BUF, CGY, CAR, COL, CBJ, DAL, FLA, LA, MIN, NJ, NSH, OTT, PHX, SJ, STL, WSH, WPG.

MTL (Gomez/Kaberle) and PHI (Briere/Bryzgalov) are for sures. NYI haven't committed on DiPietro but one would think it's likely.

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06-26-2013, 01:43 PM
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To me the best scenario for everyone regarding DiPietro is if the Isles can find a team that has a multitude of shorter term but high priced contracts that equal or exceed Dipietro's. Here is something that I posted on the trade boards:

I'm really not up to date where these Leaf players stand in regards to their value. I have often seen posts by Leaf fans looking to unload the following players for peanuts. If indeed the Leafs were willing to just buyout the following players... what about the following scenario as a last result?


Grabovski
cap hit (5.5m x 5yrs = 22m)

Komisarek
cap hit (4.5m x 1yrs = 4.5m)

Liles
cap hit (3.875m x 3yrs = 11.625)

Total cap hit = 38.125 (actual salaries are 36.25)

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DiPietro
cap hit (4.5m x 7yrs = 31.5) (salary is the same)


Several Leaf fans felt that Grabovski and Liles still had value. So it was a no go. But maybe the Isles can up the ante on assets (Such as swap firsts with toronto). Maybe the leafs can acquire other short-term bad contracts for assets then flip them to the Isles. Such as Heatley from Minnesota and a 2nd round pick for Liles and a 5th. Then include Heatley in a Dipietro trade. Isles likewise would return a 3rd round pick to Toronto. Little by little Toronto would free up cap space and acquire assets. Leafs on that component alone clear Liles salary and get a 2nd and 3rd round picks.

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06-26-2013, 01:52 PM
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If they need Ricky's contract to reach the cap floor why would Wang buy him out? The only reason to do it is to be able to stay under the cap which would imply that they spent quite a bit more for next season's roster. I am not hopeful about that. Even if they try to make that a reality for once I don't see how they can assume they can. If they buy him out before the first week of July they will be taking a risk that they can find enough salary to cover the shortfall. It would be far more cautious to keep Ricky one more season, make some moves during that time, then buy him out next year.

And that is assuming Wang would even allow it. Snow may have won the battle to put Rick in Bridgeport, but cutting off all together will really take some work.

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Look at the haul he got from those deals though! I'd argue that those were good trades either way.

Flyers were horrible last year because of their defense and goaltending, but because Richards and Carter.

Add in stuff like essentially getting Coburn for nothing.

Overall, he has done a OK job.

Bryz is a debacle though.
I don't know. Simmonds and Couturier are fine, but Richards is better than Schenn and Carter is better than Voracek. They could have kept those guys.

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06-26-2013, 02:03 PM
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If they need Ricky's contract to reach the cap floor why would Wang buy him out? The only reason to do it is to be able to stay under the cap which would imply that they spent quite a bit more for next season's roster. I am not hopeful about that. Even if they try to make that a reality for once I don't see how they can assume they can. If they buy him out before the first week of July they will be taking a risk that they can find enough salary to cover the shortfall. It would be far more cautious to keep Ricky one more season, make some moves during that time, then buy him out next year.

And that is assuming Wang would even allow it. Snow may have won the battle to put Rick in Bridgeport, but cutting off all together will really take some work.
My gut feeling is that they give it another year with DP in Bridgeport, then buy out if all things stay the same, but I think they can reach the floor either way. Bailey and Hamonic deals + a UFA or two or trade should do it.

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06-26-2013, 02:06 PM
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My gut feeling is that they give it another year with DP in Bridgeport, then buy out if all things stay the same,
You run the risk of DP getting injured and becoming ineligible for buyout.

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06-26-2013, 02:13 PM
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McKenzie just tweeted that a RDP buyout is likely.

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You run the risk of DP getting injured and becoming ineligible for buyout.
Insurance coverage and retirement would be options.

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Insurance coverage and retirement would be options.

That's not clear. From what I've read, insurance is limited to five years, after that, the owner has to self-insure.

And, a player can stay on IR indefinitely, would never have to retire, and just continues to collect $.

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McKenzie just tweeted that a RDP buyout is likely.
So we aren't trading him our first and Strome/Nino/Reinhart to the Leafs or Canucks?

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If they need Ricky's contract to reach the cap floor why would Wang buy him out? The only reason to do it is to be able to stay under the cap which would imply that they spent quite a bit more for next season's roster. I am not hopeful about that. Even if they try to make that a reality for once I don't see how they can assume they can. If they buy him out before the first week of July they will be taking a risk that they can find enough salary to cover the shortfall. It would be far more cautious to keep Ricky one more season, make some moves during that time, then buy him out next year.

And that is assuming Wang would even allow it. Snow may have won the battle to put Rick in Bridgeport, but cutting off all together will really take some work.
Hes in the minors, so his cap hit doesnt help us reacht he cap floor anymore. The onyl reason for this would be because we would officialy get rid of the headache. Wang would still need to pay him but no more cap hit, and hed be a free agent.

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Hes in the minors, so his cap hit doesnt help us reacht he cap floor anymore. The onyl reason for this would be because we would officialy get rid of the headache. Wang would still need to pay him but no more cap hit, and hed be a free agent.
I think that changed with the new CBA. I don't think you can banish a guy with a 1 way contract to the minors to get rid of his cap hit.

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Hes in the minors, so his cap hit doesnt help us reacht he cap floor anymore. The onyl reason for this would be because we would officialy get rid of the headache. Wang would still need to pay him but no more cap hit, and hed be a free agent.
Actually, the NEW CBA (for NHL contracts buried in the minors) only takes something like the first million or so off the cap the remaining 3.5 mil would still count as an NHL cap hit.

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So we aren't trading him our first and Strome/Nino/Reinhart to the Leafs or Canucks?
Sadly no and I was so looking forward to it too.

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Listen, DP knows the Isles will likely buy him out...why the hell would he retire and give away free $ ? Answer is...he won't. Especially now since we all know there is some bad blood and DP is not happy he got put in the minors. He will do the NYI no favors. Either we trade him ( obviously would be the best choice ) or he gets bought out. If there is no trade made, chances are he may stay till almost the end of offseason so Garth can see where his team is at salary cap wise ( wether or not he needs DPs contract to make the floor ) and then make his decision. So sad I even have to say that...wish we just strived to be the best and not a budget team. If DP goes we will definitely have to spend $ between Streits contract lost DPs contract gone Thomas contract off the books and the mill from Boyes. That's 10+ million right there.

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