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06-26-2013, 04:13 PM
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Thanks. Had been curious about that but kept forgetting to check.
That's a shame. Would have been a nice loophole for us, if we could have found a team crazy enough to take Richards with that contract.

Let team claim him on waivers, cancel cap recapture for us, maybe we even trade them an asset for "future considerations."

Not quite as egregious as a TBL/TML loophole attempt, hahaha. Oh well.

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06-26-2013, 04:51 PM
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I just know if we can move DZ or Staal for a LW who can play the top line, and sign Iginla to a 1 or 2 year deal, this team is seriously much better (at least on paper lol).

XX-Stepan-Nash
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Hags-Miller-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett..

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06-26-2013, 05:00 PM
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I just know if we can move DZ or Staal for a LW who can play the top line, and sign Iginla to a 1 or 2 year deal, this team is seriously much better (at least on paper lol).

XX-Stepan-Nash
Kreider-Brass-Iginla
Hags-Miller-Callahan
Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett..
Which LW is out there. Iggy would cost alot

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06-26-2013, 05:01 PM
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Honestly, who cares? I'd be thrilled is Sather could build a team that pushes MZA out of the lineup. Not because I dont like MZA, but because I know the Rangers would be a better team.
Agree

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06-26-2013, 05:02 PM
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i just know if we can move dz or staal for a lw who can play the top line, and sign iginla to a 1 or 2 year deal, this team is seriously much better (at least on paper lol).

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hags-miller-callahan
pyatt-boyle-dorsett..
how high would you go for iginla?

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06-26-2013, 05:04 PM
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I would give Iginla at most 5-6mil for one year

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06-26-2013, 05:06 PM
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how high would you go for iginla?
That depends.. since its a 35+ contract, I wouldn't go more than 2 years.

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06-26-2013, 05:13 PM
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I would give Iginla at most 5-6mil for one year
Rangers cant afford that

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How does the NHL allow a team to acquire a player and then use a compliance buyout on that player? It defeats the purpose of the entire idea. The NBA doesn't allow that. The Knicks would have traded future #1 picks for another team to take Amare and amnesty him. The NHL was against any compliance buyouts. They didn't want rich teams to not pay for their mistakes. They signed the bad contract. Let them suffer. The PA wanted the buyouts. The NHL agreed if the money counted against the players 50% share. In the 2005 CBA,it was money outside the system because it didn't count against the players share.

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Fans are rushing to sign Iginla? A guy who basically had the same number of points as Ricahrds? Look beyond the name.

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06-26-2013, 05:16 PM
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Iginla will 36 years old next week. Did you people watch the playoffs? He looked very bit of his 35 plus years.

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06-26-2013, 05:17 PM
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It's only a problem because you're trying to create the problem. You're moving two guys out of their natural PP position just so you can try and justify adding Jagr or Iginla to reduce Callahan's PP and ES time. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Callahan is a very effective net-front presence. His production is evidence of that. The "good on a bad PP" excuse is just fluff that has no real meaning. He tied for 4th in the NHL in PP goals because our PP was bad? How do you even begin to conjure up such backwards logic?

I remember statistical anomalies too, but that doesn't mean they're remotely relevant to the point at hand.
The Rangers PP is a disaster and Rick Nash has lackluster PP production relative to ES production. A lot of that probably has to do with forcing him to work the half-wall on the PP when he showed no resemblance of confidence in that area. I feel with his size and hands in tight, is a much more valuable asset to work in front of the net. Jagr and Iginla have been elite PP producers for the majority of their careers working in the spot Nash was being placed at. It is an improvement in slotting Nash over Callahan in front of the net and replacing Nash's half-wall presence with Jagr or Iginla.

Ryan Callahan racking up PP goals on bad offensive/bad PP teams does not convince me he is an elite PP producer. He would not be getting the same opportunities on deeper rosters, hence the comparison with Tucker and Metropolit.

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06-26-2013, 05:27 PM
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Fans are rushing to sign Iginla? A guy who basically had the same number of points as Ricahrds? Look beyond the name.
Yeah, and he is a player who has lived on his explosiveness all his career...

...there is no reason to expect him to age well.

Jagr?

We want to win a Cup, it's doubtful if Jagr can go all the way. There is no way he can go 82 + POs. But he could learn Nash a thing or two. Makes Zucc kind of redundant.

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06-26-2013, 05:29 PM
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Yeah, and he is a player who has lived on his explosiveness all his career...

...there is no reason to expect him to age well.

Jagr?

We want to win a Cup, it's doubtful if Jagr can go all the way. There is no way he can go 82 + POs. But he could learn Nash a thing or two. Makes Zucc kind of redundant.
They need to get younger, faster and bigger. Iginla and Jagr don't do that for them.

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06-26-2013, 05:31 PM
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Callahan is good in his role on the PP.

Brad Richards is great in his role on the PP.

With those two, we have 2/5 of a strong PP.

We miss:
3/5 A left handed playmaker on the right boards that can play keep away with BR (think Riberio).
4/5 A right handed PPQB that can shoot AND move the puck.
5/5 If we had the above, Nash would be great infront/behind the net.

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Kershaw deserves his own Ryan Callahan sticky

Kudos to the man for sticking to his guns

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06-26-2013, 05:44 PM
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The Rangers PP is a disaster and Rick Nash has lackluster PP production relative to ES production. A lot of that probably has to do with forcing him to work the half-wall on the PP when he showed no resemblance of confidence in that area. I feel with his size and hands in tight, is a much more valuable asset to work in front of the net. Jagr and Iginla have been elite PP producers for the majority of their careers working in the spot Nash was being placed at. It is an improvement in slotting Nash over Callahan in front of the net and replacing Nash's half-wall presence with Jagr or Iginla.
Typical Rangers mentality. Build a roster based on what a player used to be capable of, not what they're currently capable of. Both players had mediocre PP production this season, but somehow they're going to come in and vastly improve our "disaster" of a PP because it allows us to move a player out of a position where he has proven to have success.

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Ryan Callahan racking up PP goals on bad offensive/bad PP teams does not convince me he is an elite PP producer. He would not be getting the same opportunities on deeper rosters, hence the comparison with Tucker and Metropolit.
Well, when you choose to ignore hard facts and deal in hypotheticals, I imagine it's difficult to be convinced of anything.

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Callahan is good in his role on the PP.

Brad Richards is great in his role on the PP.

With those two, we have 2/5 of a strong PP.

We miss:
3/5 A left handed playmaker on the right boards that can play keep away with BR (think Riberio).
4/5 A right handed PPQB that can shoot AND move the puck.
5/5 If we had the above, Nash would be great infront/behind the net.
Don't we already kinda have that with Brass/Zucc?

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06-26-2013, 05:59 PM
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Callahan is good in his role on the PP.

Brad Richards is great in his role on the PP.

With those two, we have 2/5 of a strong PP.

We miss:
3/5 A left handed playmaker on the right boards that can play keep away with BR (think Riberio).
4/5 A right handed PPQB that can shoot AND move the puck.
5/5 If we had the above, Nash would be great infront/behind the net.
Richards was absolutely awful on the PP last season, and once we got Brassard we had a left handed playmaker, we scored most of our PP goals with him on the ice.

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06-26-2013, 06:18 PM
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Ryan Callahan scores PP goals on a garbage PP, translation: he's a scrub that couldn't score on a good PP.

Thank you HF for turning my brain to mush.

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Callahan is good in his role on the PP.

Brad Richards is great in his role on the PP.

With those two, we have 2/5 of a strong PP.

We miss:
3/5 A left handed playmaker on the right boards that can play keep away with BR (think Riberio).
4/5 A right handed PPQB that can shoot AND move the puck.
5/5 If we had the above, Nash would be great infront/behind the net.
What??

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Yeah...Ola, I hope by great, you meant terrible.

If there was anything that the Beaver was the worst at, it was working the point on the powerplay. He was awful.

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Typical Rangers mentality. Build a roster based on what a player used to be capable of, not what they're currently capable of. Both players had mediocre PP production this season, but somehow they're going to come in and vastly improve our "disaster" of a PP because it allows us to move a player out of a position where he has proven to have success.



Well, when you choose to ignore hard facts and deal in hypotheticals, I imagine it's difficult to be convinced of anything.
Jagr had decent PP production in Dallas. He was leading their team in PP points before his trade IIRC. And their PP dropped off significantly after he left. Last season, the Stars were last in the league in PP%. I don't know why Iginla clearly can't produce on the PP when he had 4 PPGs in 13 regular season games on the Pens. He is a sharp shooter that I feel can work the boards and half-wall better than Nash can on the PP. There is no denying Callahan is a decent PP producer on the Rangers, but where has it gotten the team as the team's net front presence? I simply feel Nash would be much better in that role with his size and hands. Besides working the net, Callahan is useless out there with his inability to gain zone entry, blind passes and inaccurate shots.

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