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06-27-2013, 05:45 AM
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Sorry to butt in as a Stars' fan here, couldn't help but say something.

Oleksiak isn't moving unless you're willing to cough up McDonagh or Stepan, which obviously is a no go. Fun to speculate about, obviously, but he's not moving. Prospects like him don't come around very often at all. Please don't think I'm making an offer, because I'm not. Oleksiak just has that much value to us.

Unless we move Goligoski, I really don't think we need or should go after Del Zotto. He's a great young defender, but the cost is simply going to be too high (Nemeth + 10th is actually pretty fair though, I want to keep Nystrom however) and we need to fix our center depth before we go and add another LHD, especially if we really are trying to get Nurse someone on Sunday.

Hope you guys don't mind me being here, someone said something about speculation around our players and I figured I'd take a look and maybe talk some value.

Also, any major news on Richards? Stars' fans have been talking about possibly reuniting him and Loui to see if the spark is still there, and some (myself included) thought getting Vinny and Richards back together (in Dallas, of course ) would be a cool, [barely] realistic idea.

Best of luck on Sunday and next season, guys.
I know it was a pipe dream thinking we can get him...he is the next Chara in my eyes...but Ranger fans on this board think we would be getting hosed...the same Ranger fans who thought Richards was/is going to take us to the top and that his contract was a discount and the same guys who want to trade Staal away

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06-27-2013, 06:19 AM
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Buying out Richards in August 2014. 2nd buyout period. 1 arbitration case. Richards is not healthy in June 2014 for a compliance but is healthy when 2nd period opens. Regular buyout.

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Brad Richards buyout from CapGeek.com
2014-15: -$333,333
2015-16: -$333,333
2016-17: $1,166,667
2017-18: $7,166,667
2018-19: $7,166,667
2019-20: $7,166,667
2020-21: $1,500,000
2021-22: $1,500,000
2022-23: $1,500,000
2023-24: $1,500,000
2024-25: $1,500,000
2025-26: $1,500,000
June 30,2015

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Brad Richards buyout from CapGeek.com
2015-16: -$600,000
2016-17: $900,000
2017-18: $6,900,000
2018-19: $6,900,000
2019-20: $6,900,000
2020-21: $1,233,333
2021-22: $1,233,333
2022-23: $1,233,333
2023-24: $1,233,333
2024-25: $1,233,333
June 30,2016

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Brad Richards buyout from CapGeek.com
2016-17: $500,000
2017-18: $6,500,000
2018-19: $6,500,000
2019-20: $6,500,000
2020-21: $833,333
2021-22: $833,333
2022-23: $833,333
2023-24: $833,333
Final analysis. Get rid of him now. Buying him out in August 2014 is the best regular buyout scenario. The first 3 years are nothing.

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06-27-2013, 06:39 AM
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Calgary offered Richards $64M-$65M over 9 years. Same structure. Front loaded. The dummy years at the end dropping the average salary. Bob McKenzie was on NHL Live in May/June 2011 discussing how a Richards contract would look. Richards gets paid like an elite forward in the first 5-6 years of the contract and the tack on years at $1M lower the cap hit. That's what he got. It came down to the Rangers and Calgary. His agents wanted Calgary. He wanted NY. Torts. The contract was designed for Richards to retire after 2017. Richards will 37 in 2017. Now the Rangers will be hit with a cap recapture penalty of $5,666,667 for the remaining 3 years. $17M in total. Pay him $33M over the next 4 years. $6,666,667 cap hit. $57M in the first 6 years. $3M in the last 3 years. The CBA changed.

http://capgeek.com/recapture-calcula...aded_year=2013

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Buying out Richards in August 2014. 2nd buyout period. 1 arbitration case. Richards is not healthy in June 2014 for a compliance but is healthy when 2nd period opens. Regular buyout.



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Final analysis. Get rid of him now. Buying him out in August 2014 is the best regular buyout scenario. The first 3 years are nothing.
And since we would need to use a regular buyout, those figures would just be dead cap space? Any of those scenarios are scary just to look at, let's hope Sather does the right thing here.

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06-27-2013, 06:44 AM
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Waivers at noon. Teams have a week to complete the buyout which begins with waivers. In Richards case,he can reject waivers and be bought out without waivers. 24 hour process. A contract is assigned to the claiming team. Richards likes to control his destination. He didn't go along with Nieuwendyk who wanted to trade his rights for a draft pick.

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And since we would need to use a regular buyout, those figures would just be dead cap space? Any of those scenarios are scary just to look at, let's hope Sather does the right thing here.
Yes.

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06-27-2013, 06:57 AM
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Richards needs to be bought out now or never. We need the cap space to resign all of our upcoming FAs like McD, Hagelin, Step, Hank, Cally, and Girardi (though he may price himself out). The sooner these guys are locked up, the better. I honestly think Hank may re sign this off season.

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06-27-2013, 06:59 AM
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If it weren't for the potential injury factor, I'd keep him thru next season and buy him out after next season, but due to the risk of him getting hurt and being unable to be bought out, you gotta buy him out now.

No ifs, ands, or buts.

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We have been saying it for months now. Richards needs to be bought out. Today. Its the only sensible thing to do.

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I wonder if Anaheim would swap Ryan and Del Zotto straight up.

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I wonder if Anaheim would swap Ryan and Del Zotto straight up.
doubt they'd do that with fowler...

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06-27-2013, 07:52 AM
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According to @RenLavoieRDS the Lightning will buy out Vincent Lecavalier's contract. #TSN #NHL
He should be looked at HEAVILY

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Sorry to butt in as a Stars' fan here, couldn't help but say something.

Oleksiak isn't moving unless you're willing to cough up McDonagh or Stepan, which obviously is a no go. Fun to speculate about, obviously, but he's not moving. Prospects like him don't come around very often at all. Please don't think I'm making an offer, because I'm not. Oleksiak just has that much value to us.
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No need to worry about that, because we would never trade two guys like that for "potential". I wouldn't even trade Del Zotto for him anyways. No sane person here would. We didn't trade Del Zotto or Stepan for Rick Nash, let alone McD. Hope he does well for you, but McDonaugh for him,

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Vinny Lecavalier just became the best UFA on the market, AINEC.

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06-27-2013, 08:03 AM
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If we buy out Richards he's never signing here, if we don't then we probably can't afford him.

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Vinny Lecavalier just became the best UFA on the market, AINEC.
There's no way we can sign him to a reasonable contract. His price is gonna be insane for the exact thing you said.

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Eh...

Unless he's willing to take a HUGE paycut, stay away from Lecavalier. There's a reason he's being bought out. He has been in steady decline for years, he's vastly overpaid, he's 33, and a shell of what he used to be. Sound familiar? We have someone like that on the roster that all of us are begging the Rangers to buy out.

No thanks.

If we want a center, make it a young center, cost controlled, by trading Del Zotto.

We have VERY important RFAs to keep.

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Stay far away from Vinny. Enough with the 2004 retreads.

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I think Vinny would be a good fit at 2/3 C. From a hockey standpoint.

But I think some team will give him a stupid contract. That I want no part of.

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Vinnys not what he used to be a seen him in person a few times this year, not worth the big $ i would give him 4 per but i doubt that would
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Eh...

Unless he's willing to take a HUGE paycut, stay away from Lecavalier. There's a reason he's being bought out. He has been in steady decline for years, he's vastly overpaid, he's 33, and a shell of what he used to be. Sound familiar? We have someone like that on the roster that all of us are begging the Rangers to buy out.

No thanks.

If we want a center, make it a young center, cost controlled, by trading Del Zotto.

We have VERY important RFAs to keep.
This exactly. Sather should really focus on signing Step and McD to long term deals and Hags to a bridge contract before they can be offer sheeted. A team like Philly throwing money at McDonagh is scary.

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Stay away from Lecavalier. Some people here will never learn.

Tampa has scary bad center depth after Stamkos now. Anyone else think they could trade down a spot or two on Sunday and take Barkov?

EDIT: If Holmgren dare crosses Sather by throwing an offer sheet at McDonagh or Stepan, they better watch their ***** with Giroux and Schenn next offseason. It's within the rules, but to throw an offer sheet at a player that puts the owning team in a position to handcuff themselves by matching, that's bush league.

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Buyout richards, to sign vinny?

Really?

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Stay away from Lecavalier. Some people here will never learn.

Tampa has scary bad center depth after Stamkos now. Anyone else think they could trade down a spot or two on Sunday and take Barkov?
I think they'll just take him. He's good enough to go at the 3 spot.

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Stay away from Lecavalier. Some people here will never learn.

Tampa has scary bad center depth after Stamkos now. Anyone else think they could trade down a spot or two on Sunday and take Barkov?
Give CAR Staal, send TBL Boyle and a 3rd, get the 3rd pick, Tampa gets the 5th?

Only half serious.

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