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Can someone tell me what RIVET is doing on the PP?

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10-19-2006, 12:09 AM
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I wouldn't go as far as saying he was our 2nd best defender. He was consistent in the defensive zone, but he's (imo) our worst defenceman at making first passes, doesn't have a good shot, doesn't have any offensive intuition and is only "solid" defensively... You'd figure someone who really has nothing else to offer would be more than what he is defensively. To me he's got worth with the team, but not more than any other guy in our top 7 (Bouillon included).
Let's go down the list.
Komisarek? Had a brutal first half.
Dandenault: see above
Souray: pretty good, but I think Rivet was better.
Bouillon: ... no
Streit: no.
Cote: nope.


I think those are probably all of the players, outside of Markov and Rivet, that played defense for us last year.

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10-19-2006, 12:13 AM
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I thought picking up Niinimaa was gonna solve the hole problem.I really don't understand why Rivet is there
Exactly! I don't either...

Niinimaa should be out there (to use his big shot).

Rivet is good on 5 on 5, PK...protecting goalie, being physical, playing solid D (when he does!), but... REMOVE RIVET from PP!!! (play him on PP only if one of Souray, Markov, Niinimaa is injured...).


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10-19-2006, 12:14 AM
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Let's go down the list.
Komisarek? Had a brutal first half.
Dandenault: see above
Souray: pretty good, but I think Rivet was better.
Bouillon: ... no
Streit: no.
Cote: nope.


I think those are probably all of the players, outside of Markov and Rivet, that played defense for us last year.
Bouillon and Dandy have speed, decent first passes and decent shots. Rivet doesn't. Komisarek is our best Dman in the Dzone so far this year. Souray so far has been better (more valuable) than Rivet. Streit is our 8th right now...Niinimaa also so far has looked better than Rivet and is more valuable seeing as he has offensive skill, a good first pass and better overall speed than River. Imo, Rivet will be re-signed because of what he's done for the club not because we need him.

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10-19-2006, 12:30 AM
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Anyone wanna guess who had the 5th ranked PP last year, and who is coincidentally 5th to start the season.

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10-19-2006, 12:32 AM
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Anyone wanna guess who had the 5th ranked PP last year, and who is coincidentally 5th to start the season.
Certainly not cuz of the 2nd wave, which has done next to nothing this year. Last year we also had Ribs on the 2nd wave...

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10-19-2006, 12:38 AM
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Certainly not cuz of the 2nd wave, which has done next to nothing this year. Last year we also had Ribs on the 2nd wave...
Then who F cares. The second unit often plays like 30 seconds of the PP if it gets that far. Montreals PP is better then most of the league, and you guys are *****ing about the second unit. How freaking stupid. Shouldn't you guys be happy that the first unit is doing better than most of the league

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10-19-2006, 01:45 AM
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Didnt see anyone else saying it, but I think the single biggest reason Rivet is used on PP is his right handed shot. We already have one very predictable PP unit where Markov passes and Souray shoots, because it doesnt work very well the other way. Our other options are Dandenault, who is out and has no shot, and for some reason they are afraid to try Komisarek there.

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10-19-2006, 02:53 AM
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Really, he makes as many mistakes as Souray, but has the worst shot of all our D. Please Carbo, put anyone else on the point but Rivet.
he's got a nice shot. He recorded over 30 points last season believe it or not. And he was used sapringly as a 2nd pairing PP guy. And thats exactly whats happening this season.

I disagree with you on his shot. I think his shot is the only reason why he is used as a spare PP option. I can see someone making a thread to bump him from the PP but not for the reason you gave.

From what I've seen of Niinimaa, he loves to shoot those high wristers which are impossible to deflect. Its easy for the goalie because players dont want to screen the goalie unless you keep your shots low. Bouillon also uses a wrister... at least he keeps them low but his shot is also ineffective. We just dont have a whole lot of other options.

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10-19-2006, 02:55 AM
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Exactly! I don't either...

Niinimaa should be out there (to use his big shot).

Rivet is good on 5 on 5, PK...protecting goalie, being physical, playing solid D (when he does!), but... REMOVE RIVET from PP!!! (play him on PP only if one of Souray, Markov, Niinimaa is injured...).

I have yet to see this big Niinimaa shot

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10-19-2006, 08:47 AM
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I thought last year that Rivet was great on the PP but that's certainly not the case this year. I'm not sure what happened but he looks very bad out there. I always wanted to see Komisarek tried on the PP...maybe we will see that happen.

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10-19-2006, 01:55 PM
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I have yet to see this big Niinimaa shot
From what I've seen Niinimaa never goes for a big slapper, always a wrister BUT he has a very good one. It's very fast and gets up high quick, I think that qualifies as a pretty darn good shot, but not a huge blast from the point or anything. Almost like Bouillons standard wrister from the point, but I think Niinimaa's has more velocity and is definitely more dangerous.

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10-19-2006, 03:12 PM
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Rivet - 2005-2006 7G 27A 34PTS
Markov - 2005-2006 10G 36A 46PTS
Dandenault - 2005-2006 5G 15A 20PTS


Dandy, 20 points, Rivet 34 ....what's Rivet doing on the 2nd PP? More than your suggested alternative it seems.

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10-19-2006, 03:19 PM
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id rather see traverse at the point rather then rivet.

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10-19-2006, 03:30 PM
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You guys seem to be forgetting that rivet took a shot right in the hand in the first game AND he took a shot in the ankle against ottawa. Knowing that Dandenault, bouillon and cote are hurt, rivet is toughing it out and playing. He is a GREAT leader and the assistant captain of our team. saying that he shouldnt even be in the NHL is just plain dumb.

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10-19-2006, 03:42 PM
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Really, he makes as many mistakes as Souray, but has the worst shot of all our D. Please Carbo, put anyone else on the point but Rivet.
I'm asking myself the same question.

I'm honnestly always giving the benefice of the doubt to the coaches for their decisions since they're in the NHL while I'm writing on HF board! And more often than not (a lot!), time shows that the decisions they made with which I wasn't agreeing turned out to be better than the ones I would have done.

I can summarize my hockey knowledge like this : a 37 years old fan who watch everygame, who read the better report in papers, who listen to the better report on tv, who read the better reports here, who have played hockey for awhile. And well, from the height of that modest knowledge, I absolutly don't understand what Rivet is doing on the PP. I can't see why. Maybe I miss something, I surely miss something since every coach has been doing this at a moment, but man, I don't understand. Please someone enlight me, sincerely.

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10-19-2006, 03:55 PM
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You guys seem to be forgetting that rivet took a shot right in the hand in the first game AND he took a shot in the ankle against ottawa. Knowing that Dandenault, bouillon and cote are hurt, rivet is toughing it out and playing. He is a GREAT leader and the assistant captain of our team. saying that he shouldnt even be in the NHL is just plain dumb.
he's a warrior and i want to keep him, but just take him off the powerplay, seriously.

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Can someone explain to me why Rivet is in the NHL?

This guy has shown no signs of any reliability since the beginning of the season. What were once hallmarks of his play, like sacrificing his body and being willing to take a hit to make a pass have disapeared. I've never seen a Dman decide to hold the puck at his feet and absorb the hit instead of making a pass and taking the hit so many times. He looks indecisive and slow. The communication problems between him a Sourray make me gag.

I've always liked him and hope he turns it around but at this point he's been nothing short of terrible.
I've never liked him. For years he did so many boneheaded mistakes in his zone, and ever since I can't stand him. I heard he played good last yr, but so far it seems like the good ol Rivet to me.

let's not forget how much money he makes. we could get a lot better elsewhere.

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10-19-2006, 08:50 PM
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I've never liked him. For years he did so many boneheaded mistakes in his zone, and ever since I can't stand him. I heard he played good last yr, but so far it seems like the good ol Rivet to me.

let's not forget how much money he makes. we could get a lot better elsewhere.

Typical "grass is greener on the other side" fan

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10-19-2006, 09:35 PM
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From what I've seen Niinimaa never goes for a big slapper, always a wrister BUT he has a very good one. It's very fast and gets up high quick, I think that qualifies as a pretty darn good shot, but not a huge blast from the point or anything. Almost like Bouillons standard wrister from the point, but I think Niinimaa's has more velocity and is definitely more dangerous.
This is where we disagree... i dont like the fact that his shots are high. If you are going to wrist it on net and you want players willing to screen the goalie... you must keep it low. High point shots annoy me.

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