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06-24-2013, 11:31 AM
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KK is a top 4 defenseman signed for 5 more years at 2.9 mil a year. The chances of his being moved are pretty close to zero.

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06-24-2013, 11:45 AM
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Thanks for the feedback Nashville fans, much easier group to deal with than the Philly fans on the main board . Hope everyone enjoys the draft weekend, should be an exciting player heading your way.

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06-27-2013, 11:10 AM
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Hopefully Trotz's doesn't kill Barkov's offensive upside, like he did with Smith.
I don't know, I guess this is a topic for another thread, but I believe Smith is responsible for killing his upside more.

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06-27-2013, 11:11 AM
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Hopefully Trotz's doesn't kill Barkov's offensive upside, like he did with Smith.
Smith killed his own offensive upside. In reality, he enjoyed a hot 5-6 weeks to start 2011-12 and faltered ever since. He's been given PP time, top six time, bottom six time .... no improvement. His 2 ES goals last season made Halichuk look like a dynamic scorer.

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06-27-2013, 11:14 AM
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I'm still on the take offers to move 1-3 spots down if the price is right. With the taking lindholm + a GOOD asset for jones.. Or somthing along the lines of that lindholm and ff9 know each other and have played a little together all depends on that asset they give up though

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06-27-2013, 11:15 AM
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Smith killed his own offensive upside. In reality, he enjoyed a hot 5-6 weeks to start 2011-12 and faltered ever since. He's been given PP time, top six time, bottom six time .... no improvement. His 2 ES goals last season made Halichuk look like a dynamic scorer.
So why is he producing everywhere he plays, and looks like a great player with upside, then gets to Nashville and tanks? I know he is going to be a good scorer one day, and if we don't play him or trade him this team will regret it.

Trotz is set on everyone playing a two-way game. That isn't going to get you scorers because you have guys like Smith who are fast and can shoot but are limited to what they can do because of the style.

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06-27-2013, 11:18 AM
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Because everywhere else he played wasn't the NHL. Shall we run through a list of players who produced in other leagues, but failed to do the same in the NHL?


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So why is he producing everywhere he plays, and looks like a great player with upside, then gets to Nashville and tanks? I know he is going to be a good scorer one day, and if we don't play him or trade him this team will regret it.
Lots of young prospects look great until they play with the big boys, and then "tank". Smith just needs more time in Milwaukee, IMO. He was great the first 6 mos. he was here, so we know he can play (even with the dreaded Trotz).

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06-27-2013, 11:19 AM
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Smith was never a great prospect. We just badly needed\wanted him to be. The only place he's ever been notably impressive is the World Championships, playing against teams like Latvia or Finland(with no NHLers)

Trotz didn't make Smith into a soft, weak-on-the-puck perimeter player. His mother did.

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Because everywhere else he played wasn't the NHL. Shall we run through a list of players who produced in other leagues, but failed to do the same in the NHL?

Just kidding. This isn't the topic of the thread.
Still 14p in 10 games in a World tournament is nothing to talk down about. If you watched, Smith looked like a completely different player. He played well against plenty of NHL talent in those tournaments.

Edit: Smith had more points than Loui Ericksson in the same games played

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06-27-2013, 11:23 AM
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So why is he producing everywhere he plays, and looks like a great player with upside, then gets to Nashville and tanks? I know he is going to be a good scorer one day, and if we don't play him or trade him this team will regret it.

Trotz is set on everyone playing a two-way game. That isn't going to get you scorers because you have guys like Smith who are fast and can shoot but are limited to what they can do because of the style.

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06-27-2013, 11:27 AM
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Shake your head all you want, but Trotz sticks to one thing. He is a phenomenal coach but it shouldn't always be like that. The Predators and Coyotes of the game will be tough to play with but will never beat a team like Chicago with a one system team.

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06-27-2013, 11:28 AM
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Still 14p in 10 games in a World tournament is nothing to talk down about. If you watched, Smith looked like a completely different player. He played well against plenty of NHL talent in those tournaments.

Edit: Smith had more points than Loui Ericksson in the same games played
Petri Kontiola put up 16 points in 10 games this year. When do you think we'll see him in the NHL again?

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06-27-2013, 11:35 AM
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Trotz sure did keep his team to playing one style in the last full NHL season. 1st overall PP. 8th in total offense. 10th in goals against. 10th in penalty kill.

His defensive minded approach to the game that absolutely kills offense was never more apparent. Oh and he coached one of the youngest teams in the entire league all season. Younger even than Edmonton, with their three first overalls (who was 20th in Goals per game, while being 3rd in PP).

Sometimes it isn't really the coach. It's a combination of things. For Smith, the guy can play great over short periods of time. He showed that in college. He showed that at the WC. When it comes to the rigors of a full NHL season he simply couldn't hang. He is still young, though. Blaming Trotz for killing his offense is like blaming two days of no rain for killing your crops while ignoring the locust.

There are plenty of things to blame on Trotz. Smith isn't one of them.

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06-27-2013, 11:39 AM
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Trotz sure did keep his team to playing one style in the last full NHL season. 1st overall PP. 8th in total offense. 10th in goals against. 10th in penalty kill.

His defensive minded approach to the game that absolutely kills offense was never more apparent. Oh and he coached one of the youngest teams in the entire league all season. Younger even than Edmonton, with their three first overalls (who was 20th in Goals per game, while being 3rd in PP).

Sometimes it isn't really the coach. It's a combination of things. For Smith, the guy can play great over short periods of time. He showed that in college. He showed that at the WC. When it comes to the rigors of a full NHL season he simply couldn't hang. He is still young, though. Blaming Trotz for killing his offense is like blaming two days of no rain for killing your crops while ignoring the locust.

There are plenty of things to blame on Trotz. Smith isn't one of them.
Im not saying Trotz isn't the man, because he is.

The dump and chase game while clogging up the neutral zone can be beneficial but it hurts players like Smith who thrive on puck possession, and receiving passes then putting a quick shot on net. That's why I think Smith isn't working like we thought. All I'm saying is we need puck possesion. The great teams in this league are all the best at it. And I could be wrong but I think we were close to last, if not last in that category. That

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Shake your head all you want, but Trotz sticks to one thing. He is a phenomenal coach but it shouldn't always be like that. The Predators and Coyotes of the game will be tough to play with but will never beat a team like Chicago with a one system team.
Actually, Trotz doesn't. The simplistic "Trotz sticks to one thing" argument crumbles the second one bothers to look at history. Post firesale, there was a concerted defense first mindset because the roster lacked the talent to do anything else and remain competitive. The couple years prior to the firesale and 2011-12, the team played a more offensive style. Actually, there was a month this past season when the Preds averaged over 3 goals per game, losing the majority because the defense lacked.

Never beat a team like Chicago? 4-1-1 against them in 2011-12. Then 0-3-2 this past season. 3-3-0 in 2010-11. Recent history doesn't support your definitive statement that the team can "never" beat a team like Chicago. The same goes for a team like the Wings.

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We were a pretty damn good puck possession team in 2011-2012. Smith flourished for a brief time playing that game, and a lot of us hoped that his game would translate from the NCAA/WC to the NHL. After he missed that empty net he sort of fell off. His confidence was shot. His conditioning didn't appear to be at the level it needed to be at. Like 101st said, he isn't as strong on the puck as he needs to be to be effective in this league, especially in the former-Central. The West is a very tough, physical conference that doesn't allow much time and space for a guy to simply float around waiting for his chance. The East isn't much easier in that regard, but it's a bit more open.

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Craig Smith also seemed to prey more on bad defenses. Anaheim, Tampa, Columbus, Calgary. He scored three points in his second game against St Louis, who was allowing nearly 3 goals per game throughout the month of October. This was before they hired Hitch and tightened it up.

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We were a pretty damn good puck possession team in 2011-2012. Smith flourished for a brief time playing that game, and a lot of us hoped that his game would translate from the NCAA/WC to the NHL. After he missed that empty net he sort of fell off. His confidence was shot. His conditioning didn't appear to be at the level it needed to be at. Like 101st said, he isn't as strong on the puck as he needs to be to be effective in this league, especially in the former-Central. The West is a very tough, physical conference that doesn't allow much time and space for a guy to simply float around waiting for his chance. The East isn't much easier in that regard, but it's a bit more open.
That's my point though. We can be good at puck possession, and when we were Smith flourished. Last season we weren't even close and Smith had a bad year like some other forwards.

I think puck possession should be the Preds main focus this year. Adding a top-6 forward and Barkov/Drouin will certainly help that.

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Craig Smith also seemed to prey more on bad defenses. Anaheim, Tampa, Columbus, Calgary. He scored three points in his second game against St Louis, who was allowing nearly 3 goals per game throughout the month of October. This was before they hired Hitch and tightened it up.
That is true but it doesn't hurt to have a guy like that. Just as long as you have other people who can score, which we kind of don't (besides Colin)

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That's my point though. We can be good at puck possession, and when we were Smith flourished. Last season we weren't even close and Smith had a bad year like some other forwards.

I think puck possession should be the Preds main focus this year. Adding a top-6 forward and Barkov/Drouin will certainly help that.
But we were good about possessing the puck for much of the season, and Smith still fell off. He shows he can still play well on the PP (7 points last season out of his total of 12 came on the PP; tied for third on the team). That tells me he is good when his time and space aren't compromised nearly as much. He needs to learn to battle to get into areas rather than waiting for the space and the puck to come to him at the same time.

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What do you guys make of Rich Clune's twitter account? IMO, he needs to tone it down a bit.. He's funny, but pretty disrespectful, especially to the Kings organization. Check out @richcluneshow

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What do you guys make of Rich Clune's twitter account? IMO, he needs to tone it down a bit.. He's funny, but pretty disrespectful, especially to the Kings organization. Check out @richcluneshow
I followed him the other day but haven't even checked it yet.

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I remember seeing questions about the draft party. Via the teams facebook:



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Join the Nashville Predators and 102.5 The Game at Dave & Buster’s (Opry Mills), this Sunday 2-4p, for the 2013 NHL Draft Party. Cheer on your Nashville Predators as they select a top 5 draft pick for only the second time in team history. A Season Ticket Holders-only VIP area will include free food, soda and games, and all fans in attendance will be eligible for door prizes including Justin Timberlake tickets and Preds Prize Packs.

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