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06-27-2013, 01:36 PM
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I'm assuming Richards will be here so all this talk is pointless. They know the risks and they haven't bought him out yet, that to me says they are gonna end up keeping him.
you could be right sir and if so the teams basically going to be the same barring a trade here and there which Sather will likely do.

for example if they keep Richards and have Stepan and Brassard then it does make sense to deal Boyle IMO. Sign Lapierre as the 4th line C

All they have money for is RFA's at that point that need to be resigned and that takes all the money up.

they could also go balzy and clear Staal's contract out and get a cheaper guy like Faulk to replace him. Gives them some wiggle room to sign guys

Hopefully they move Pyatt to clear that contract.

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06-27-2013, 01:40 PM
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I'm assuming Richards will be here so all this talk is pointless. They know the risks and they haven't bought him out yet, that to me says they are gonna end up keeping him.
They may be waiting to see what else they have available before making a decision on Brad. If you buy him out, you need a top 3 center to replace him. If you decide to hold on to his contract for now, that comes with the assumption that he will rebound in some way, he won't be the 4th line center. Test the waters in free agency. If you could find a better option, both on the ice and financially, do it. If not, keep him around and hope for a resurgence of some sort. It's a difficult decision for Sather, and he should be exploring all his options.

Would you rather have Richards at another 7 yr/7 mil per or Lecavalier at say 3 yr/4 mil per? Not saying he would sign for that, but lets assume he did,

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06-27-2013, 01:45 PM
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Would you rather have Richards at another 7 yr/7 mil per or Lecavalier at say 3 yr/4 mil per? Not saying he would sign for that, but lets assume he did,
How about neither?

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How about neither?
That works too

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If they plan to keep him, then why not tell him instead of leaving him dangling in the wind?
No reason to buyout Richards just yet. As others have posted, Sather/management can wait until after the draft to see the exact landscape.

Other than placating Ranger fans who want an immediate answer, waiting a few days is the best solution.

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06-27-2013, 01:55 PM
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And from Richards' point of view, he should not feel entitled to a quick answer on his future. Despite his struggles, he is a proud athlete. Im sure he's chomping at the bit to prove himself here, and I'm sure him and Sather have spoken about that in exit interviews. Richards understands that this is a business though, and given his enormous contract coupled by his poor play, he is in a vulnerable position.

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Trade Staal to NSH for 4th overall pick and Jonathan Blum

Kreider Barkov Nash
Hagelin Stepan Callahan
Clowe Brassard Miller
McLeod Boyle Dorsett
Asham

McDonagh Girardi
DelZotto Stralman
Moore Blum
Eminger

SO crazy I know. Barkov is said to be the most NHL ready. This would leave about 8mil in cap space. CRAZY.
So we're using Brassard in a checking line role?

Not to mentioned Nashville would never ever take Staal for the 4th, nevermind adding on Blum. The only reason Carolina would consider moving the 5th for him is because of the name value.

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06-27-2013, 02:11 PM
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Trade Staal to NSH for 4th overall pick and Jonathan Blum

Kreider Barkov Nash
Hagelin Stepan Callahan
Clowe Brassard Miller
McLeod Boyle Dorsett
Asham

McDonagh Girardi
DelZotto Stralman
Moore Blum
Eminger

SO crazy I know. Barkov is said to be the most NHL ready. This would leave about 8mil in cap space. CRAZY.
Nashville needs Barkov alot more than they need Staal.

never going to happen

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06-27-2013, 02:14 PM
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Not buying out Richards is incredibly stupid. There is no guarantee he might help them maybe win in the next year or two. The only guarantee (unless Earth suffers some E.L.E. or society collapses) is that there are going to be hockey seasons beyond that. Having Richards' debilitating contract for the next 7 years, when there is a get-out-of-jail-free card being waved in the Rangers faces, is lunacy.

This same GM traded the greatest player in Rangers history (Leetch) for peanuts and he's second guessing buying out a clearly declining, badly overpaid player that has been downright awful for at least 50% of the time he's been here. A guy that was barely good enough to play in the bottom six and was scratched in the second round of the playoffs by the very reason he signed here to begin with (Tortorella).

Every other team in the league made the right decision to buy out their albatross contracts. Not us tho.

Enough with this madness. Buy this *** guy out and move on.

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06-27-2013, 02:19 PM
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So we're using Brassard in a checking line role?

Not to mentioned Nashville would never ever take Staal for the 4th, nevermind adding on Blum. The only reason Carolina would consider moving the 5th for him is because of the name value.
No, because there's no rule that says your 3rd line has to be a checking line.

the 4th line can be a checking line and the top three lines can be scoring lines.

I'd much rather perfer that than two scoring lines, one checking line and one line to mow the lawn

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so looks like the Rangers are planning on waiting to see who they can get in Free Agency since they can talk to the UFAs early.

so if they have a cheaper deal with Vinny L, Weiss, a guy that can replace Richards then they buy him out and get that player.

If not they may keep Ricahrds and risk it for a yr.

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No, because there's no rule that says your 3rd line has to be a checking line.

the 4th line can be a checking line and the top three lines can be scoring lines.

I'd much rather perfer that than two scoring lines, one checking line and one line to mow the lawn
Vigneault specifically said that he wants two scoring lines, a two-way line and an energy line.

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06-27-2013, 02:22 PM
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That would be an interesting idea. Not sure Chicago would take it. Bolland is also paid much more and only had 14 points in 35 games this season.

Financially? Yes.
Bolland would help us, and value wise we could add to Boyle without loosing out. If we add Skjei, something more gotta comeback, but Thomas might do it.

But, I am not sure if Bolland does it.

I mean, we didnt have a PP with Richards. If we buy him out, it won't ge better that's for sure. We miss a playmaker. Sure, we aren't great at entering the zone. But our big problem is that we just can't move the puck around. Bolland is not the solution to that, although he is capable on the point.

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06-27-2013, 02:24 PM
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so looks like the Rangers are planning on waiting to see who they can get in Free Agency since they can talk to the UFAs early.

so if they have a cheaper deal with Vinny L, Weiss, a guy that can replace Richards then they buy him out and get that player.

If not they may keep Ricahrds and risk it for a yr.
I like the two guys but I think they;re going to get big bucks. I'd attempt to go after one but try to talk them down to a friendlier deal.

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Bolland would help us, and value wise we could add to Boyle without loosing out. If we add Skjei, something more gotta comeback, but Thomas might do it.

But, I am not sure if Bolland does it.

I mean, we didnt have a PP with Richards. If we buy him out, it won't ge better that's for sure. We miss a playmaker. Sure, we aren't great at entering the zone. But our big problem is that we just can't move the puck around. Bolland is not the solution to that, although he is capable on the point.
I think a full year of Brassard and Zuccarello will help that, hopefully.

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Barkov is a good prospect, and I am not the one to say that the sky isnt the limit for him. But people are going overboard with his hype. He is a good top 5-10 pick. NOTHING more or nothing less. Check back 5-15 years at the top 4-10, that's what we are getting.

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No, because there's no rule that says your 3rd line has to be a checking line.

the 4th line can be a checking line and the top three lines can be scoring lines.

I'd much rather perfer that than two scoring lines, one checking line and one line to mow the lawn
Except Vigneault already alluded to the fact he will run things the way he does. Two defined scoring lines. A defensive unit. A checking unit.

So, Brassard in a checking role?

Richards has no place here. He's awful. He's overpaid. He's a detriment.

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so looks like the Rangers are planning on waiting to see who they can get in Free Agency since they can talk to the UFAs early.

so if they have a cheaper deal with Vinny L, Weiss, a guy that can replace Richards then they buy him out and get that player.

If not they may keep Ricahrds and risk it for a yr.
http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-pl...ards-decision/

According to this, that may be the plan.

If it come down to it, Id MUCH rather Stephen Weiss at 5m per for 5 years then Richards for 6.6m per for 7 years.

Just buy the guy out and see what Lindberg has to offer. They can trade Del Zotto for a center later if need be.

Holding onto Richards is madness.

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If it come down to it, Id MUCH rather Stephen Weiss at 5m per for 5 years then Richards for 6.6m per for 7 years.
Dear God.

Cant we just buy out Richards, pocket almost $7M in cap space, and not rush into another mistake?

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Except Vigneault already alluded to the fact he will run things the way he does. Two defined scoring lines. A defensive unit. A checking unit.

So, Brassard in a checking role?

Richards has no place here. He's awful. He's overpaid. He's a detriment.
wait a minute, the defensive line is the 3rd line where Brassard could be with Stepan and Richards in the offensive line, and Boyle on the checking (4th line). I dont know thats what they do, but that does fit what AV wants to do.

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06-27-2013, 02:46 PM
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Dear God.

Cant we just buy out Richards, pocket almost $7M in cap space, and not rush into another mistake?
you really think Sather could just have cap space sitting there and not do anything?

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A couple of things.

I don't know what AV wants, or what he will want after coaching this team for a while, but a coach who wants a 2 + 2 line setup, but don't have the material for it, often adjusts. Looking at Vancouver, he used more of a 1+2+1 setup. The second line sometimes did not play more 5 on 5 than the 3rd line. We saw that with Renney alot too, he had a pretty weak 2nd line and played that line less and the 3rd and 4th more.

My point is just, I could see AV creating a second line that is pretty weak in NY (with guys like Zucc in it) but a stronger 3rd line (Callahan?). Time will tell.

Second, people trash Lecavalier and our UFA signings etc. Lecavalier will get paid this time too, we should have no illusions. There are. I centers available, and Lecavalier is good around kids.

But, if we buy our BR, our PP will not get better. We shouldn't overrate Stepan. Stepan is FAR from a good top line center on a contender. At best, he is on par with a deep center chart like Krejci, Bergeron and co in Boston.

Brassard up until recently wasnt even counted on in CBJ. I loved Brass in NY last season, but, let's remember that he did not have to carry a big load here. If we buy out BR there will be a lot of pressure on him.

Getting Lecavalier on a decent contract (say 8, 6, 4, 4 and 4m per with a cap hit at 5.2m per), we get someone who will not fix, no, but atleast help our PP and be an important cog on it; we get someone who can take of pressure of Stepan and Brassard; we get someone who is good on FOs and defensively.

Slats should definitely be interested in Lecavalier. 5m per for Lecavalier doesn't cripple us.

Clowe-Lecavalier-Nash //Plays top line minutes.
Kreider-Brass-Zucc //Plays alot when they play well, plays less when they don't.
Hagelin-Stepan-Callahan //Is put on the ice to get the puck up ice, take important FOs, late in games etc.

Lecavalier can then step down in the lineup as he grows older. He would fit very well with wingers like Kreider, Zucc and Fasth among others. Thomas!

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Explore a trade for Bolland. Trade Boyle. Sign Lapierre. Buyout Richards. Sign Vinny Lecav

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I just dont think Lecavalier is going to get as much as some think, call me crazy. He's already making bank and he doesnt even have to play technically.

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Explore a trade for Bolland. Trade Boyle. Sign Lapierre. Buyout Richards. Sign Vinny Lecav
I'm curious what the logic would be to trading Boyle and signing Lapierre.

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