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Ducks Requesting Coburn And Flyers 1st For Bobby Ryan

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06-27-2013, 07:48 PM
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why doesnt anaheim want a 2C? :[

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06-27-2013, 07:51 PM
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We were throwing around the idea of expanding the trade to Ryan and sbisa for coburn, read, and pick(s). Anaheim would upgrade their defense and get a stay at home defenseman to pair with fowler. They would also get read, who can score 20-25 goals while playing great defensively, to limit the loss of Ryan. The flyers would get sbisa to limit the loss of coburn to our defense. And the pick would basically just even everything out since we would be acquiring the best player in the trade.
Ok. That would be something I would think about but I still think the Ducks could get more if they were to trade Ryan. The problem is while the #11 overall has plenty of value - the pick itself doesn't improve us next season.

It's definitely an intriguing offer though.

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06-27-2013, 07:52 PM
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Hop in Coby, I'll drive ya and pick up Bobby! I'll drop him off at Cherry Hill after stopping for some Cabana water ice

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06-27-2013, 07:53 PM
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And you know this before the players have stepped on professional ice...how?
I've always hated that argument.

Lets trade Hemsky to the Avalanche for their 1st overall pick. How do we know the 1st overall pick will be good as Hemsky?

The argument is off whenever its used, just as you cannot perfectly guess a prospects potential, the same can be said for an established players future production

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Flyers are rebuilding? Thought they were trying to win a Cup. This year. And next year. And so on.

Regardless, adding a 26 year old NHL sniper continues any team's so-called rebuild.

In fact it accelerates it.
well they traded two of their top forwards for picks and prospects, finished pretty low this season...id say theyre rebuilding

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06-27-2013, 07:55 PM
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I've always hated that argument.

Lets trade Hemsky to the Avalanche for their 1st overall pick. How do we know the 1st overall pick will be good as Mackinnon?

The argument is off whenever its used, just as you cannot perfectly guess a prospects potential, the same can be said for an established players future production
What the hell are you talking about?

I was asking him how he knows this is "one of the deepest drafts ever" before any of these players have played in the NHL. Every draft is "the deepest draft ever" until the next one.

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06-27-2013, 07:55 PM
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Ok. That would be something I would think about but I still think the Ducks could get more if they were to trade Ryan. The problem is while the #11 overall has plenty of value - the pick itself doesn't improve us next season.

It's definitely an intriguing offer though.
I think the value is definitely there. If the ducks could get a better offer they should take it obviously.

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06-27-2013, 07:57 PM
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What the hell are you talking about?

I was asking him how he knows this is "one of the deepest drafts ever" before any of these players have played in the NHL. Every draft is "the deepest draft ever" until the next one.
Its a deep draft because the players are believed to be very talented this year. We should not discredit a draft class because they have yet to play.

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06-27-2013, 07:58 PM
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Don't the Flyers need D?

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06-27-2013, 07:59 PM
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why doesnt anaheim want a 2C? :[
Bonino proved himself as a 2C (not high end, but solid) last year and has the chance to improve due to his age. In addition they have about 4 Centers as prospects that potentially could replace Bonino in a year or two if they continue their growth. If not, they could always look at the trade deadline.

The Ducks have a few players that could replace Ryan (and are cheaper) and he never really found his spot in the Ducks line up.

They have a bigger problem on D with no top end shutdown player. He would be a perfect fit with Fowler on the top line.

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06-27-2013, 08:00 PM
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Hmm...the pieces seem plausible, but it's Garrioch.

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06-27-2013, 08:00 PM
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I'm in the minority but the Flyers should pass on the deal.

Offence isn't the problem for their team. Keeping the puck out of the net and trading away their leader in TOI last among Dmen won't help with that. Add in that Timonen is very old and maybe retiring after next year, Streit is very old and Meszaros is to injury prone to be counted on.

Plus they've got a weak prospect pool so it has a lot of value to them.

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06-27-2013, 08:01 PM
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Flyers offense is a problem people. Not overall offense but 5on5 hockey, they were one of the worst teams in the league. I think they were ahead of 3-4 teams I believe.

Ryan would help that out. Especially playing with Giroux.

Holmgren has stated they aren't trading the 11th though. It would take a lot to get him to move it.

Also Coburn is not as bad as Flyer fans say. A lot are frustrated he has the tools, but he just didn't put it all together. He is a top 4 dman who is defensive minded. He would pair greatly with Fowler. Or a young offensive puck mover.

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06-27-2013, 08:02 PM
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Don't the Flyers need D?
yea but its one of those things with the streit signing that the highly paid defense just got even more highly paid so someone should be moved, the obvious choice is mesz but you get more value from moving coburn

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06-27-2013, 08:03 PM
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Philly should be all over that.
i think so too. its fair, Ryan is young. Coburn and a 1st is not crazy

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06-27-2013, 08:03 PM
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And you know this before the players have stepped on professional ice...how?
I believe 2003 was regarded as one of the deepest drafts(before the draft took place) ever and look at how that turned out. If they're comparing 2013 to 2003, wouldn't you take the scouts word on it?

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06-27-2013, 08:04 PM
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dude he took that Hemsky thing right off these boards and that Ryan Rumor.

when the radio asked MacKenzie about Hemsky he said he's heard nothing and only read what other media has read. when they asked Murray he said they has not looked into Hemsky.

the only Hemsky rumor I've seen came right off the Oilers board and then swirled only in the Ottawa media.

pretty sad, pretty sad. i think that Ryan rumor is also just from the thread that was on this board not to long ago.

Bruce knows the scouting staff and the assistant GM but i think his well is dry and grasping at straws.

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Ugh. Not good value for Ryan...

I can totally see Murray taking this deal though. No idea why Holmgren is not all over this.

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06-27-2013, 08:07 PM
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I think it's easier to replace a defensive D than add a 35 goal scorer so the downgrade on D would be worth it. Flyers could sign a stay at home D like Ference to replace Coburn.

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I'd give Coburn and the 41st. We need to keep this 1st rounder.
The Ducks would give Cogliano. They need to keep Ryan.

Get it?

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06-27-2013, 08:08 PM
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It's just the fact that his name is in every single Flyers deal around here lately gives me the chuckles. He's a good 3rd line/2nd line tweener who has broken 20 goals once. If he was younger it would be a different story.
Maybe I should be the one to say it. You are citing the fact that Read has broken 20 goals once. Are you really surprised considering he has only played 1 FULL SEASON! Or do you think he should have gotten 20 this year...making him in the top 15 goal scorers in the league. What he really has is 1 season on pace for 25 goals, one for 22.

Matt Read PPG pace was 49 and 47 in his 2 seasons.
Bobby Ryan PPG pace was 57 and 53 in his last 2 seasons.

and when you look at that, Ryan gets 1 more point every 10 games than Read does.

I guess Philly's 2nd/3rd liner produces almost as much as a 1st liner.

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And you know this before the players have stepped on professional ice...how?
So you think if the Sharks offered Sena Acolatse (has never stepped on NHL ice) and a 7th for Ryan Murray, the Blue Jackets would accept, since neither player has stepped on NHL ice, so they are even in value, and the 7th pushes it over the top for the blue jackets?

Silly logic. Most scouts consider it a very deep draft, just as they did exactly 10 years ago. Look how that draft turned out.

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Coburn and a 1st? That's it?

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So you think if the Sharks offered Sena Acolatse (has never stepped on NHL ice) and a 7th for Ryan Murray, the Blue Jackets would accept, since neither player has stepped on NHL ice, so they are even in value, and the 7th pushes it over the top for the blue jackets?

Silly logic. Most scouts consider it a very deep draft, just as they did exactly 10 years ago. Look how that draft turned out.
No, but continue to put words in my mouth.

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Coburn and a 1st? That's it?
Bear in mind it's Garrioch. There may not have ever been a conversation.

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