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06-27-2013, 09:15 PM
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Also told that Letang camp counter-offered with a long-term deal which would pay less than $8 M (north of $7.5 M); Pens said too high
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I thought that happened with Richter, but it could be he just retired. Not sure, but I remember we traded him for something but he never played for another team
what you are thinking of is a loophole from 2 CBAs ago. teams would get draft pick compensation for losing ufas so teams would trade a pending ufa to a team for a pick, then sign that player back. so team A ends up resigning their guy plus adds a pick and team B gets a comp pick for 'losing' the ufa and gets a higher pick then they traded away.

rangers used the loophole a few times...98 they worked out a deal with nashville for the preds to pick richter in the expansion draft then 2 weeks later we signed richter. if i remember correctly there was a rule that you couldn't lose more than 1 goalie in the multiple expansion drafts so buy swinging this deal we didn't have to protect a goalie the following years

2002 we traded richter to edmonton for a comp pick then resigned him...oilers got a 3rd round pick 72nd overall in 03 for losing him, rangers got #122nd pick in 03 and took corey potter.

2003 we traded messier to sj for a pick that we used to draft callahan and then resigned him...plus we traded leetch to edmonton for markkanen & a 2004 4th round pick which was ironically traded to toronto with leetch the following year.

loophole was closed though and you no longer get compensation for losing ufas which gives the other team no incentive to make the trades...

does make for some fun trivia though...you could stump alot of people asking what nhl organizations was mike richter part of besides the rangers and how many times did the rangers trade away brian leetch

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06-27-2013, 09:19 PM
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Letang was a Norris finalist and has the right to ask for that... it's about time a Pens player wanted market value.

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Letang was a Norris finalist and has the right to ask for that... it's about time a Pens player wanted market value.
This. It would be moronic for the Pens to not give him what he wants. Their defense is bad as it is.

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Jesus, 500 posts in a day? Good job guys.

Would take Cammy if salary is retained by Calgary.

Perron is interesting, but St. Louis would probably ask too much.

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This. It would be moronic for the Pens to not give him what he wants. Their defense is bad as it is.
Agreed, but I think it'll be hilarious nevertheless to see Letang having the highest caphit amongst all defenders in the league. He always seemed to give the Rangers fits with his puck moving ability, so I'll be fine with him leaving.

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Miller, DZ, 1st for Letang.

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This. It would be moronic for the Pens to not give him what he wants. Their defense is bad as it is.
Letang 7,5 m
Fleury 5 m
Malkin 9,5 m
Crosby 8,7 m
Neal 5 m
Martin 5 m

That's a total of 40,7 m. on 6 players. They have 24 m left for the other 26 players. They have no depth which will cost them

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06-27-2013, 09:29 PM
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Miller, DZ, 1st for Letang.

*Ducks out of the way of rotten tomatoes*
I would do it for sure if he comes with extension in place. Buyout for Richards would need to happen though for it to fit within the cap.

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Nice to see the Pens running into cap problems due to all their 'star' players.... That team will look a heck of a lot different on the ice without Letang moving the puck from the backend.

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what you are thinking of is a loophole from 2 CBAs ago. teams would get draft pick compensation for losing ufas so teams would trade a pending ufa to a team for a pick, then sign that player back. so team A ends up resigning their guy plus adds a pick and team B gets a comp pick for 'losing' the ufa and gets a higher pick then they traded away.

rangers used the loophole a few times...98 they worked out a deal with nashville for the preds to pick richter in the expansion draft then 2 weeks later we signed richter. if i remember correctly there was a rule that you couldn't lose more than 1 goalie in the multiple expansion drafts so buy swinging this deal we didn't have to protect a goalie the following years

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loophole was closed though and you no longer get compensation for losing ufas which gives the other team no incentive to make the trades...

does make for some fun trivia though...you could stump alot of people asking what nhl organizations was mike richter part of besides the rangers and how many times did the rangers trade away brian leetch
You, my man, are a star! Thanks for clearing this up and assuring me I wasn't losing my mind haha. I knew there was something with trades and signing the players back.

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Letang 7,5 m
Fleury 5 m
Malkin 9,5 m
Crosby 8,7 m
Neal 5 m
Martin 5 m

That's a total of 40,7 m. on 6 players. They have 24 m left for the other 26 players. They have no depth which will cost them
Fleury will be gone soon. Same with Martin.

They will make it work

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06-27-2013, 09:36 PM
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Fleury will be gone soon. Same with Martin.

They will make it work
Pens getting rid of Martin?

Yesssss. Shower me with their defense of awfulness.

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Why is Cammalleri crappy? He was on pace for about 50-55 points on a terrible team
$6 mil for a guy that had 2 less points then brad richards? and you ask i say crappy? get cgy to eat 1/2 his salary and he's not bad but for $6 mil? yeah he sucks as much as richards did last year

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Never said Kreider has more value than Perron. Said I wouldn't trade Kreider for Perron.
This and why are we talking Perron when we can get a norwegian Perron for about 1.75 mil, no asset loss?

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06-27-2013, 09:39 PM
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This and why are we talking Perron when we can get a norwegian Perron for about 1.75 mil, no asset loss?
Norwegian Perron? Who might that be? Certainly not Zuccarello.

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Miller, DZ, 1st for Letang.

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Pens getting rid of Martin?

Yesssss. Shower me with their defense of awfulness.
They have a ton of very good defense prospects. They will fill in the gaps.

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Fleury will be gone soon. Same with Martin.

They will make it work
No they will not, half those cap eating guys will be hurt also any given time.

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They have a ton of very good defense prospects. They will fill in the gaps.
They always seem to do. Unfortunately.

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$6 mil for a guy that had 2 less points then brad richards? and you ask i say crappy? get cgy to eat 1/2 his salary and he's not bad but for $6 mil? yeah he sucks as much as richards did last year
Richards for another season? Sold. Richards for another 7? That's the issue.

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Pens getting rid of Martin?

Yesssss. Shower me with their defense of awfulness.
They're trying to one-up the Flyers I think.

What worries me about both those teams is they're not afraid to make huge moves. Moves that'll cost them something down the road but solidify certain aspects of their team.

If the Pens are really getting rid of Martin, what do they have up their sleeve? Cause I want in on that too.

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No they will not, half those cap eating guys will be hurt also any given time.
You can save cap room with IR.

This is OT but they will be fine.

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http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/show...012-13&sit=5v5

Wow I knew Letang was bolstered by playing the majority of shifts with Crosby, but yikes.

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Now, I'm the first guy in the world to knock Letang for being overrated, but when you're a finalist for the Norris you're not going to go for a sweetheart deal. Especially not for a club that is no longer going to be considered the top team in the NHL. Thems the Hawks.

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