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06-25-2013, 02:35 PM
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Whats worng with that?
The last McNabb to play in Philadelphia had his tenure end in a less than ceremonious fashion.

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06-25-2013, 03:09 PM
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To Buffalo: Coburn, Read, 3rd
To Philly: Miller, McNabb, 50% of Miller's salary retained
Flyers need more Defense, not less.

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Flyers need more Defense, not less.
I understand what you're saying as at the moment Coburn is the far superior defender, but Miller in the true sense will provide you with more defense than what you're losing in Coburn in this situation.

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McNabb is an NHL-ready defenseman.

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06-25-2013, 03:48 PM
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As a Pens fan, I would love to be able to get Miller. Maybe Fleury plus a pick and player. Fleury has all the natural talent in the world and has won a cup but could use a change of scenery and Miller could be that solid goalie that wont falter come playoff time that the Pens need.

Just a pipe dream but from a Pens fan I would love to see it happen.

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06-25-2013, 03:56 PM
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I understand what you're saying as at the moment Coburn is the far superior defender, but Miller in the true sense will provide you with more defense than what you're losing in Coburn in this situation.
I have no idea if Mason is going to perform or not, but I prefer my chances with Mason/Coburn for 3 years much more then 1 year of Ryan Miller and whoknowswhat from a rookie on D on a team that isn't ready to win right now.

Oh, and we also get to drop Read and a half-decent pick, too. Nah.


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McNabb is an NHL-ready defenseman.
Maybe. He's never played. A lot of NHL ready defensemen have come up and proved they aren't actually ready. I don't say that to be critical about him, I just say it because he's never seen the NHL so by nature he's a question mark. And as a projected 2B/3A type...not worth the wait.

Bright side: we do maintain our quota of Braydens.

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As a Pens fan, I would love to be able to get Miller. Maybe Fleury plus a pick and player. Fleury has all the natural talent in the world and has won a cup but could use a change of scenery and Miller could be that solid goalie that wont falter come playoff time that the Pens need.

Just a pipe dream but from a Pens fan I would love to see it happen.
Dont see the Sabres wanting a goalie back. IMO they will run Enroth and Hackett as a 1a/1b tandem. Not the greatest, but room for growth from both and they have much bigger holes to fill on the roster.

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06-25-2013, 04:48 PM
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I have no idea if Mason is going to perform or not, but I prefer my chances with Mason/Coburn for 3 years much more then 1 year of Ryan Miller and whoknowswhat from a rookie on D on a team that isn't ready to win right now.

Oh, and we also get to drop Read and a half-decent pick, too. Nah.




Maybe. He's never played. A lot of NHL ready defensemen have come up and proved they aren't actually ready. I don't say that to be critical about him, I just say it because he's never seen the NHL so by nature he's a question mark. And as a projected 2B/3A type...not worth the wait.

Bright side: we do maintain our quota of Braydens.
2011–12 25GP 1G 7A 8P 15PIM

It's not a huge sample size obviously, but the kid has played NHL hockey.

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Is McNabb ready to move up to the NHL? Coburn eats a lot of minutes for Philly.
He played very well in his rookie year, regressed back to the AHL, and is behind Pysyk in terms of pecking order of Sabres prospects.

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Flyers need more Defense, not less.
The Flyers have:

Timmonen
Streit
Meszaros
Schenn
Grossman
Coburn

All under contract. You need BETTER quality, less quantity.

McNabb is a young d-man who can step into bottom pairing minutes immediately and maybe into a top 4 role. He has a nasty physical side.

The trade:

A) Gets rid of one long term D contract
B) Immediately upgrades your goaltending to an elite level
C) Saves you in cap space next year

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06-25-2013, 05:21 PM
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It's not a huge sample size obviously, but the kid has played NHL hockey.
You're correct - I misspoke. But the logic remains the same.

The Flyers will take a guy with little/no experience who projects as a top pair guy but not a mid-pair type.

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06-25-2013, 05:26 PM
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He played very well in his rookie year, regressed back to the AHL, and is behind Pysyk in terms of pecking order of Sabres prospects.





The Flyers have:

Timmonen
Streit
Meszaros
Schenn
Grossman
Coburn

All under contract. You need BETTER quality, less quantity.

McNabb is a young d-man who can step into bottom pairing minutes immediately and maybe into a top 4 role. He has a nasty physical side.

The trade:

A) Gets rid of one long term D contract
B) Immediately upgrades your goaltending to an elite level
C) Saves you in cap space next year
1) The concept of better quality, less quantity is true, but I'm not sure how Coburn for McNabb helps that at all.

2) The Flyers have plenty of guys who can play bottom pair minutes and maybe a top-4 role. And they have Gustaffson who needs to play in the NHL now to see what he has.

3) Coburn struggled last year while miscast, but no one is trying to "get rid" of him. He's still a very valuable piece, just in terms of the minutes he provides in a D that is old (Timonen/Streit) or injury plagued (Grossman, Meszaros)

4) The saved cap space comes from NOT HAVING A PLAYER AFTER NEXT YEAR WHEN MILLER'S CONTRACT IS UP? How is empty cap space and still no goalie a positive?

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06-25-2013, 06:08 PM
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As a Pens fan, I would love to be able to get Miller. Maybe Fleury plus a pick and player. Fleury has all the natural talent in the world and has won a cup but could use a change of scenery and Miller could be that solid goalie that wont falter come playoff time that the Pens need.

Just a pipe dream but from a Pens fan I would love to see it happen.
If I am the Pens, I do everything possible to get Miller. I truly feel Miller could be the key to multiple Stanley Cups. Everyone knows he will re-sign there so it would be more than a one year situation for Pitt.

However, Pitt would need to buy out Fleury or trade him in a second deal. No way Buff wants him.

You may need to "overpay" but it won't matter when the cups come.

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06-25-2013, 06:55 PM
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If I am the Pens, I do everything possible to get Miller. I truly feel Miller could be the key to multiple Stanley Cups. Everyone knows he will re-sign there so it would be more than a one year situation for Pitt.

However, Pitt would need to buy out Fleury or trade him in a second deal. No way Buff wants him.

You may need to "overpay" but it won't matter when the cups come.
Yeah, if the Flyers were a realistic Cup team in 2014 I would have a different feeling about Miller. Makes a lot of sense for Pittsburgh if they're ready to wash their hands of Fleury, which I'm assuming they're not.

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Maybe. He's never played. A lot of NHL ready defensemen have come up and proved they aren't actually ready. I don't say that to be critical about him, I just say it because he's never seen the NHL so by nature he's a question mark. And as a projected 2B/3A type...not worth the wait.
Yes he had played.He actually played real well as a rookie in 11-12.8 points in 25 games with practically no PP time?Yeah, McNabb has top pairing potential and he is untouchable.There is no question mark on McNabb's game, he is NHL ready and a future top 4 d-man.Considering he is still on his ELC he would be extremely valuable to any NHL team.

His last season in the WHL he was actually the 3rd highest scoring d-man.Not bad for a guy who was thought of as a one dimensional def. d-man when he was drafted.In his rookie season in the AHL he was 30th in d-man scoring and he only played 45 games.

McNabb looks to be a future all-around top pairing d-man.He is extremely physical, strong and has a very good underrated offensive game.

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06-25-2013, 07:19 PM
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The best fit for Miller is Phoenix.

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06-25-2013, 07:34 PM
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Yes he had played.He actually played real well as a rookie in 11-12.8 points in 25 games with practically no PP time?Yeah, McNabb has top pairing potential and he is untouchable.There is no question mark on McNabb's game, he is NHL ready and a future top 4 d-man.Considering he is still on his ELC he would be extremely valuable to any NHL team.

His last season in the WHL he was actually the 3rd highest scoring d-man.Not bad for a guy who was thought of as a one dimensional def. d-man when he was drafted.In his rookie season in the AHL he was 30th in d-man scoring and he only played 45 games.

McNabb looks to be a future all-around top pairing d-man.He is extremely physical, strong and has a very good underrated offensive game.

Someone must not have mentioned all this to the Sabres fan that suggested moving him.

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The best fit for Miller is Phoenix.
He has a limited NTC and I can bet Phoenix is on top of that list.

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Is McNabb ready to move up to the NHL? Coburn eats a lot of minutes for Philly.
Most fans say he is. McNasty is the kind of player that would quickly become a fan favorite in Philly. The kid is the definition on what Philly fans have always loved in players.

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Someone must not have mentioned all this to the Sabres fan that suggested moving him.
Nobody is untouchable, and the sabres have a bit of a logjam when it comes to defensive prospects even after they traded one away last season. If a good deal comes along every player on the team is available to trade.

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Nobody is untouchable, and the sabres have a bit of a logjam when it comes to defensive prospects even after they traded one away last season. If a good deal comes along every player on the team is available to trade.
That's fine - I understand. The quoted poster said "McNabb looks to be a future all-around top pairing d-man.He is extremely physical, strong and has a very good underrated offensive game." If that's the case, he's not the log the Sabres would unjam.

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If I am the Pens, I do everything possible to get Miller. I truly feel Miller could be the key to multiple Stanley Cups. Everyone knows he will re-sign there so it would be more than a one year situation for Pitt.

However, Pitt would need to buy out Fleury or trade him in a second deal. No way Buff wants him.

You may need to "overpay" but it won't matter when the cups come.
I agree and salivate at the thought of Miller with the Pens. I just don't think that management is ready to give up on Fleury for whatever reason. But I think Ray Shero would be wise to at least explore the possibility.

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That's fine - I understand. The quoted poster said "McNabb looks to be a future all-around top pairing d-man.He is extremely physical, strong and has a very good underrated offensive game." If that's the case, he's not the log the Sabres would unjam.
I was disagreeing with the poster you were quoting by saying that no player is untouchable. That being said, I was just saying that IF he were to be traded to Philly he would quickly become a fan favorite, as he is the kind of guy that Philly fans LOVE.

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How about Halak for Miller. Maybe Stl adds a bit?

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How about Halak for Miller. Maybe Stl adds a bit?
That does nothing for the Sabres given their current approach to things.

They have Enroth to be the starter and they have Hackett who is ready to be the back up.

The Sabres want to get younger and don't need goaltending. So, Halak is of no interest.

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How about Halak for Miller. Maybe Stl adds a bit?
I'd rather just keep the better goalie in Miller. If we do trade Miller to St. Louis and the trade included Halak I would only think he's included to help you guys with the salary and to help clear up the logjam you have at goaltender. He wouldn't hold much value to us at all.

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