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[CGY] 6th, 22nd, 28th for [COL] 1st?

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06-28-2013, 05:33 PM
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You just won the cup. You don't get a first overall too.
Could you imagine??

I think Montreal got to pick 1st (Guy Lafleur) in 1971 the same year they won the cup but wondering if it's ever happened since?

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06-28-2013, 05:37 PM
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I believe this would be a worse deal for Calgary....if as all of the experts say this is the best draft class since 2003 then consider the possibilities. The Flames could be considering a trade that in theory would be sending Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and Corey Perry to the Avs for Seth Jones or Nathan MacKinnon.

I don't care how good those two players eventually become trading three prospects who have that type of potential sets your rebuilding back 5 years.
There's always the "unknown" factor when dealing with draft picks, but your expectations for those three picks may be just a tad high.

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06-28-2013, 06:05 PM
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Calgary will be picking top 5 for another year or two in a row. They'll be able to pick up a very high level franchise changing player in one of those drafts. 3 picks in a deep draft will give them some good complementary players.

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06-28-2013, 06:15 PM
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Chicago offers Avs

Teravainen, Leddy, 30th, Bolland

For 1st
That's quite a bit, but I think it'd take that. You're basically saying a good shutdown 3rd line center with one year left, a late 1st, a top prospect, and a 2nd pairing dman. Still...not one player on there has the upside (likely) of anyone being drafted in the 1 hole this year.

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You just won the cup. You don't get a first overall too.
But why?


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And Colorado declines...
Thanks for the in depth reasoning.

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06-28-2013, 06:20 PM
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That's awful for Calgary.
2007:
Kane vs Gagner/Pacioretty/Petreki

2008:
Stamkos vs Filatov/Eberle/Tikhonov

2009:
Tavares vs OEL/Schroeder/Olsen

2010:
Hall vs Connolly/Tinordi/Coyle

2011:
RNH vs Zibanejad/Biggs/Phillips

2012:
Yakupov vs Lindholm/Maata/Skjei

You'd have to be high to take the 6/22/28 over the 1st overall with the exception of maybe 2009, but nobody thought OEL was going to be that good.

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06-28-2013, 06:21 PM
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That's quite a bit, but I think it'd take that. You're basically saying a good shutdown 3rd line center with one year left, a late 1st, a top prospect, and a 2nd pairing dman. Still...not one player on there has the upside (likely) of anyone being drafted in the 1 hole this year.



But why?




Thanks for the in depth reasoning.
Quality>quantity. Would you trade Patrick Kane for that?

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06-28-2013, 06:24 PM
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As a Flames fan I'd easily take it.

The Flames need a franchise player most of all. The #1 pick has a lot higher chance of becomming a franchise player than the #6.

It's nice to have depth, but it's a lot easier to acquire depth through free agency or trades than it is to acquire a #1 centre. The Flames don't need to fill out their entire roster via the draft.

With MacKinnon the Flames would have:

Brodie, Baertschi, and MacKinnon in place we'd be well on the way to a rebuild. The Flames would still be missing a goalie and a #1 defender.

The Flames lack of "depth" in their prospect pool is really overated too. We have: Backlund, Gadreau, Jankowski, Horak, Cundari, etc.. The Flames have plenty of prospects that are slated to become "depth" guys. It's the franchise guys we want.
While I agree with the statement, Backlund is not a prospect. At all.

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Quality>quantity. Would you trade Patrick Kane for that?
Exactly.

Avs are probably right to pass. They're not a typical team that drafts 1st overall since they aren't in need of a complete rebuild. Adding an elite talent that they can slot into their line up right away is more valuable than the 6th and two late-ish 1st rounders.

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06-28-2013, 06:30 PM
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That's quite a bit, but I think it'd take that. You're basically saying a good shutdown 3rd line center with one year left, a late 1st, a top prospect, and a 2nd pairing dman. Still...not one player on there has the upside (likely) of anyone being drafted in the 1 hole this year.



But why?




Thanks for the in depth reasoning.
The Avs have Duchene O Reilly Stastny and maybe MacKinnon. A 3rd line shutdown centre who will likely leave in a year isn't what they need. Neither is a late first. Leddy would be good. What position is Teravainan?

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sorry for the hijack but what would it take for MTL to get CGY's 6th overall? assuming nichushkin is still on the board

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I don't like it for Calgary simply because of the state of their team. The thing they need right now is a bunch of young guys who can come in and play. In a deep draft such as this one, it could be potentially be just as valuable to grab 3 players in this round as it would be to draft one great one.

Calgary is not in a position right now where one great prospect puts them back into contention, they need help everywhere. Which is why I am surprised to see Feaster trying to move all three of these picks, oh wait no I'm not; it's Feaster.

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6th, 22nd, 28th can get you three solid players...but it all depends on the Flames scouting.

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I believe this would be a worse deal for Calgary....if as all of the experts say this is the best draft class since 2003 then consider the possibilities. The Flames could be considering a trade that in theory would be sending Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and Corey Perry to the Avs for Seth Jones or Nathan MacKinnon.

I don't care how good those two players eventually become trading three prospects who have that type of potential sets your rebuilding back 5 years.
If you are going to assume Calgary hitting the ball out of the park with the 22nd and 28th overall picks and drafting all star players, of course trading those picks wouldn't be smart.

I think it's an assumption that's not very reasonable.

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I don't like it for Calgary simply because of the state of their team. The things they need right now is a bunch of young guys who can come in and play. In a deep draft such as this one, it could be potentially be just as valuable to grab 3 players in this round as it would be to draft one great one.

Calgary is not in a position right now where one great prospect puts them back into contention, they need help everywhere. Which is why I am surprised to see Feaster trying to move all three of these picks, oh wait no I'm not; it's Feaster.
While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, I'd have to say Calgary desperately needs a franchise player to build around just as much as they need depth. Depth is a bit easier to acquire.

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I believe this would be a worse deal for Calgary....if as all of the experts say this is the best draft class since 2003 then consider the possibilities. The Flames could be considering a trade that in theory would be sending Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and Corey Perry to the Avs for Seth Jones or Nathan MacKinnon.

I don't care how good those two players eventually become trading three prospects who have that type of potential sets your rebuilding back 5 years.
to be totally accurate; michalek, pouliot and perry.
or with slightly worse scouting it could have been; jessiman, pouliot, belle.

bah, it really all depends. personally, i'd rather have the first overall and then you're as sure as can be that you've got a can't-miss prospect. no matter how strong a draft looks on paper, 6 is unlikely to be as good as 1, and 22 and 28 are more likely to be busts than stars.

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#6 + 2014 1st + Wotherspoon would be far more enticing than #6+#22+#28.

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06-28-2013, 07:03 PM
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Teravainen,Saad,30th,Bolland for

1st and Hedja

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#6 + 2014 1st + Wotherspoon would be far more enticing than #6+#22+#28.
Of course it would, but that would be the 2013 6th overall + 2014 2nd overall (at worst) + a good prospect for this years 1st overall?

No way would I do that.

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Teravainen,Saad,30th,Bolland for

1st and Hedja
not even close

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#6 + 2014 1st + Wotherspoon would be far more enticing than #6+#22+#28.
Monahan+Ekblad is an overpayment for MacKinnon

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Num 1 pick >>>>>>6+22+28.

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Flames are likely gonna draft top 5 the next couple years, so I wouldn't mind keeping all three picks.

However, I would move all 3 for 1st/2nd/3rd for sure.

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Calgary trade isn't close.

Neither are the Chicago proposals.

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#6 + 2014 1st + Wotherspoon would be far more enticing than #6+#22+#28.
Agreed that its more enticing, but I wouldn't do it as a Flames fan.

Monahan/Lindholm + likely a top 5 pick (easily the potential to be 1/2) + Calgarys best D-prospect (Played for Canada at the WJ's)

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Monahan+Ekblad is an overpayment for MacKinnon
Avs can't bank on the Flames winning the lottery, or really count on them to draft top 5 with their history. They always seem to over perform and stay out of the basement.

I just think that is what it would take to move the Avs off MacKinnon from all that has been said. The 3 firsts for this year wouldn't move them.

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