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06-28-2013, 06:23 PM
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I was probably the poster most agains signing BR to start with.

I don't like that we are not buying out. Far to weak 5 on 5. People say that he has lost a step etc, he hasnt really. He has never been a good skater and his stats has always been PP and instincts with the puck.

But, right should be right. We are not stuck with his contract for seven years. A big portion of all NHLers 36+ y/o can claim that they are hurt and go on LTIR instead of retireing.

If BR does retire, we are not stuck with his contract but only with the money we saved on the bogus years at the end that counts against our cap.
Thats what people don't realize. We signed him to help our power play but for some reason our power play has never worked under what ever coach or assiant coach.

Richards gets his points on the PP.... thats why his numbers are down. He is still the same player, just playing on a team with holes

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06-28-2013, 06:27 PM
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You really don't think there are legitimate medical mechanisms in place for this sort of stuff? BR can claim he's injured all he wants. It's not about injury, it's about fitness to play. Heatley and Havlat haven't been cleared by team doctors as being fit to play. Neither has Pronger. If there's a disagreement, it goes to a neutral physician.
Lol internet sometimes.

What does the LTIR exception have to do with this?

And even if it was relevant -- which it of course is not -- WHAT DOES THE QUOTED PART SAY? Yes if the league wish to challenge a doctors ruling that a player is UNFIT they can do so.

You think the league can challenge a player that claims to be healthy? For Christ sake it's so stupid I don't know where to start.

And why on EARTH do you mention Pronger? Pronger is a 35+ contract. The +35 rule say that such contract hits your cap at face value no matter what. Philly is stuck with his cap hit no matter if he is injured. Retires. Bought out. Etc.

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06-28-2013, 06:37 PM
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"There are more names thrown out that I've seen before, big names, with fewer teams willing to take them" - Dave Nonis

Good thing we moved Gaborik when we did.
Good call. Very happy with the return on that one as well.

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06-28-2013, 06:44 PM
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Lol internet sometimes.

What does the LTIR exception have to do with this?

And even if it was relevant -- which it of course is not -- WHAT DOES THE QUOTED PART SAY? Yes if the league wish to challenge a doctors ruling that a player is UNFIT they can do so.

You think the league can challenge a player that claims to be healthy? For Christ sake it's so stupid I don't know where to start.
Actually, the league can challenge a doctor's ruling on fitness to play, period. Not just unfit. That was for the LTIR nonsense. However, paragraph 5 of the SPC covers the rules regarding a player under contract and both his and the team's rights in regards to player injuries. As you will see from the relevant pieces of the SPC below, the player is required to submit himself to a club physician, who will make a determination on whether the players can perform under contract. If the player disputes, he hires a physician that must make a determination on whether the player can perform under contract. If the club and player physicians disagree, and independent physician is brought in, and his findings are final.

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(e) In the event that the Player wishes to seek a second opinion in respect of the Club Physician's determination regarding the Player's fitness or unfitness to play, the Player shall provide electronic notice to the Club (unless the Player provides notice by any other means to the General Manager, Assistant General Manager or the Head Athletic Trainer) that he is seeking a second opinion pursuant to Paragraph 5 of the SPC
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(f) The physician consulted by the Player ("Player's Physician") in accordance with Paragraph 5(e) must make a determination as to whether the Player is disabled and unable to perform his duties as a hockey Player and shall evidence such determination by fully completing the form attached to the CBA as Exhibit 25-A, which shall be provided to the Player at the time of the examination, with an electronic copy sent forthwith to the Club and the Recipients
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(g) (i) If, after consulting as provided for in Paragraph 5(f), the Club Physician and the Player's Physician agree that the Player is either disabled and unable to perform, or not disabled and able to perform, his duties as a hockey Player, their agreed-upon determination shall be evidenced by fully... Such determination shall be conclusive, final and binding upon the Club and the Player...
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06-28-2013, 06:45 PM
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Thats what people don't realize. We signed him to help our power play but for some reason our power play has never worked under what ever coach or assiant coach.

Richards gets his points on the PP.... thats why his numbers are down. He is still the same player, just playing on a team with holes
Richards was one of the reasons the PP was inept. Nobody told him to go out there and hold back on the creativity. He's had the benefit of playing with some very creative players over his career. MSL, Lecavalier, Boyle, and even Riberio. I think he's been highly overrated as a PP QB because of the talent he's played with. I said it when we signed him and I stand by it.

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06-28-2013, 06:47 PM
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I do not even know what we can do now. We are going to lock up McDonagh, Stepan, MZA, and Hagelin. That is a given. Then Lundqvist is going to get a hefty raise. With Richards we won't even have enough money to bring back Clowe or someone else in the market. I am not in love with how the team is constructed right now.

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06-28-2013, 06:54 PM
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I do not even know what we can do now. We are going to lock up McDonagh, Stepan, MZA, and Hagelin. That is a given. Then Lundqvist is going to get a hefty raise. With Richards we won't even have enough money to bring back Clowe or someone else in the market. I am not in love with how the team is constructed right now.
Going to have to move small contracts like Pyatt, Asham, Powe. Free up about 3.5mil

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06-28-2013, 06:55 PM
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Is Powe's value just a 7th?
Is Asham's value a 6th?
Pyatt could net Cody McLeod and a 5th maybe?

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06-28-2013, 06:56 PM
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I do not even know what we can do now. We are going to lock up McDonagh, Stepan, MZA, and Hagelin. That is a given. Then Lundqvist is going to get a hefty raise. With Richards we won't even have enough money to bring back Clowe or someone else in the market. I am not in love with how the team is constructed right now.
Lundqvist's raise won't affect our situation this season.

The way I figure, we're going to have about around $2.5m to improve the team when the RFA contracts are taken care of.

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06-28-2013, 07:15 PM
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Richards was one of the reasons the PP was inept. Nobody told him to go out there and hold back on the creativity. He's had the benefit of playing with some very creative players over his career. MSL, Lecavalier, Boyle, and even Riberio. I think he's been highly overrated as a PP QB because of the talent he's played with. I said it when we signed him and I stand by it.
Agree with this I never wanted Richards to begin with, it smelt failure from beginning. Basically only had 3 great months in 2 years now the odds are against him. At the time I thought it would be smarter to try and trade for a Spezza say AT THE TIME. Now there is just confusion everywhere.

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06-28-2013, 07:22 PM
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Agree with this I never wanted Richards to begin with, it smelt failure from beginning. Basically only had 3 great months in 2 years now the odds are against him. At the time I thought it would be smarter to try and trade for a Spezza say AT THE TIME. Now there is just confusion everywhere.
To Richards defense if you look at his career stats it was in line his first yr. He got 41 pts in a full yr and oh yea the team as FIRST in the East

last yr it was not a full season, no camp and he had around 25 pts. Over a full yr he could of hit 40 pts again.

I think they are morons for not buying him out but he could bounce back. Its a big risk. IF he gets hurt we all cry and the Rangers are screwed. if he's healthy its fine though he just gets bought out regardless next yr

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06-28-2013, 07:23 PM
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Definitely not happy about us keeping Richards. I wonder if VinnyL would consider signing a 1 year contract with us so he could return to Tampa next year? Something very cheap for a shot at the cup. Selanne did the same thing with Kariya in Colorado. Vinny said he wants to live in Tampa and raise his children there when he retires. Tampa also tried to bypass the CBA to get Toronto to buy him out in an effort to keep him. Vinny signs a 1 year contract to play with Richards and a shot at a cup, then goes back to where he wants to be.

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06-28-2013, 07:27 PM
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To Richards defense if you look at his career stats it was in line his first yr. He got 41 pts in a full yr and oh yea the team as FIRST in the East

last yr it was not a full season, no camp and he had around 25 pts. Over a full yr he could of hit 40 pts again.

I think they are morons for not buying him out but he could bounce back. Its a big risk. IF he gets hurt we all cry and the Rangers are screwed. if he's healthy its fine though he just gets bought out regardless next yr
deff for all the hate I and others gave he really wasn't that far off his normal pace but it just seemed most his points were either lucky or secondary assists with empty net goals. He really had like 8 maybe good games at the end. Good post agree with everything you said as well. I will say that I didn't want a buyout if there wasn't another player coming to replace him as I am not sold yet on Step and Brassard as the top 2 centers. Nor really am I with BR really, just seems like a lose-lose this year.

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its not about points !!! Look at the playoffs two years ago, he took over games . He was a big reason we went that far. No one on that team really had an experience or capability to take over a playoff game

Game 5 Vs washington

Game 6 Vs OTT.

Two games we would have lost the series if he didn't step up.
15 points in 20 games. Gomez had 11 points in 10 games his first year. That turned out great.

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06-28-2013, 08:20 PM
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Powe has zero value. He'll be a throw in.

They just have to make a trade or two this weekend, it makes no sense and they're not going to have any cap room to do anything.

Plus, how are they gonna allow rookies to compete for spots and how is AV gonna bring in a few of his boys?

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Powe has zero value. He'll be a throw in.

They just have to make a trade or two this weekend, it makes no sense and they're not going to have any cap room to do anything.

Plus, how are they gonna allow rookies to compete for spots and how is AV gonna bring in a few of his boys?
i can see Sather do nothing... Powe is overpaid. he is not useful... looks like Rico Fata out their

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06-28-2013, 08:35 PM
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Powe has zero value. He'll be a throw in.

They just have to make a trade or two this weekend, it makes no sense and they're not going to have any cap room to do anything.

Plus, how are they gonna allow rookies to compete for spots and how is AV gonna bring in a few of his boys?
They can go over the cap for a while. Just need to be under closer to when the yr starts, I honestly could see them dealing staal and the 4 mil cap hit for Faulk who's a million plus picks prospect. Still leaves mc d, dz, Moore on ld and girardi, Faulk, stralman rd. Dave's 3 million for ufas

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i can see Sather do nothing... Powe is overpaid. he is not useful... looks like Rico Fata out their
He makes a million , holy crap guys . He's a 4th liner and they got rid of rupp who makes 500 k more

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He makes a million , holy crap guys . He's a 4th liner and they got rid of rupp who makes 500 k more
they both stink.. I would have accepted a prospect from the ECHL for Rupp.

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Going to have to move small contracts like Pyatt, Asham, Powe. Free up about 3.5mil
Not really since all those players have to be replaced.

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It's not about his cap hit, it's the roster spot.

This team is going nowhere with the same garbage bottom six as last year.

There are prospects who will be fighting for spots and playing time who could offer more than the ogres in the bottom six.

There need to be at least a few smart UFA additions like a Lapierre, Nystrom, Raymond, etc. Value.

The D depth needs to be addressed.

Where's the money and roster spots going to come from? Something needs to be done.

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He makes a million , holy crap guys . He's a 4th liner and they got rid of rupp who makes 500 k more
Better to have a player making league min in that spot than him.

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VERY on the fence about Richards staying. On one hand, if he has a great bounce back season we could be looking at a very good playoff run with that offensive depth. However, we now have largely the same team as last year, which really worries me. We don't have much space for improvement cause our VERY limited cap space. We now can't bring back Clowe and have to bank on our RFAs signing chump change deals. I'm really hoping we can trade deadweight players like Powe, Asham, and Pyatt to revitalize the lineup with some hungry kids......it might be one of our only hopes.

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they both stink.. I would have accepted a prospect from the ECHL for Rupp.
Well this is just flat out ignorant. Typical though from you.

Powe is a 4th line player. He is quicker than Rupp by a long stretch. He gave us good minutes on the PK this past season when we lost the likes of fedotenko, prust, anisimov, and dubinsky.

A 4th liner making $1 million dollars and people are *****ing? Sounds like that ignorant portion of the ranger faithful. I guess a fair dollar amount for Powe would be, what, $750K? $650K? We're seriously griping over a few hundred thousand dollars for a 4th line player? If that's the case then this organization should just pack it in for eternity.

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