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06-25-2013, 05:23 PM
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What is Ryder looking for? He's been discussed as a potential target over on the Canucks board.

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What is Ryder looking for? He's been discussed as a potential target over on the Canucks board.
I don't know but trust me you don't want him.

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I don't know but trust me you don't want him.
Trust me we do My teams used Mason Raymond in the top 6 for god knows how long.

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You want a player who doesn't want to pay the price? Who is lazy? Go get him, he won't resign here anyways.

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06-25-2013, 06:38 PM
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You want a player who doesn't want to pay the price? Who is lazy? Go get him, he won't resign here anyways.
Vancouver lacks a one shot scorer. Ryder scored 35 goals last year and was on pace for 30 this year, he would have been the Canucks highest scorer this year. The Canucks also lack another Right Hander in the top 6. If he comes cheap I think the Canucks take a shot on him, but I'd be scared to give him 4+ because of the reasons you've stated. Thanks for the input!

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What is Ryder looking for? He's been discussed as a potential target over on the Canucks board.

Aren't the Canucks already in salary cap hell without overpaying for another veteran

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Umm, Ryder wasn't bad with us...he was what he's always been - a streaky scorer who can be effective with the right linemates.

21 points in 27 games is pretty much the pace he averages at his best.

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Aren't the Canucks already in salary cap hell without overpaying for another veteran
Meh not really. Ballard and Luongo are not going to be back next year they will either be traded for non cap assets or bought out. Guys like Raymond and Roy won't be retained so if Ryder were to sign for anything under 4 we'd be able to fit him in.

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Meh not really. Ballard and Luongo are not going to be back next year they will either be traded for non cap assets or bought out. Guys like Raymond and Roy won't be retained so if Ryder were to sign for anything under 4 we'd be able to fit him in.
If I were to compare Ryder to a former Canuck, I think the closest comparable would be mikael samuelsson, without the occasional physical dimension that samuelsson had, but better finish.

If he goes to the highest bidder, he's definitely going north of 4 million. I agree that he could be a nice fit. Canucks could use a couple wingers in their top 6, especially with booth being so unreliable health wise. However, he's pretty much useless if he isn't scoring, which would make an interesting dynamic with torts


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Vancouver lacks a one shot scorer. Ryder scored 35 goals last year and was on pace for 30 this year, he would have been the Canucks highest scorer this year. The Canucks also lack another Right Hander in the top 6. If he comes cheap I think the Canucks take a shot on him, but I'd be scared to give him 4+ because of the reasons you've stated. Thanks for the input!
During his first 20 games with us, Ryder had a ppg pace (.5 gpg).
I don't remember many complaints during that period.
Almost everyone was saying that we won on that trade against Cole.

When the team went in trouble at the end of the season he had one point in 7 games.
And in PO, he did two points in 5 games.
Despite all this production, Ryder ended up with -2 (11 ppp).

Ryder is a sniper. He did 25 goals per season on average.
But he is not good on defense.

Seems to me that Ryder was traded against Cole was that we would have been too tight on SCap in 2013-14.
Probably not rehired because we need bigger players in our top-9.

Now, despite all his flaws, you will probably not sign him under 3M.
Not sure you have the space to hire him.

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If I were to compare Ryder to a former Canuck, I think the closest comparable would be mikael samuelsson, without the occasional physical dimension that samuelsson had, but better finish.

If he goes to the highest bidder, he's definitely going north of 4 million. I agree that he could be a nice fit. Canucks could use a couple wingers in their top 6, especially with booth being so unreliable health wise. However, he's pretty much useless if he isn't scoring, which would make an interesting dynamic with torts
With SCap going down and all those BO players added to the UFA, I do expect the contracts to go down next season.

There will be a lot of players still available coming September.

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Meh not really. Ballard and Luongo are not going to be back next year they will either be traded for non cap assets or bought out. Guys like Raymond and Roy won't be retained so if Ryder were to sign for anything under 4 we'd be able to fit him in.
Put Ryder with your best playmaking center and he will do nothing but pump in the goals.

He is extremely talented. However, his success is totally dependent upon his center getting him the puck when he skates to an opening.

Would love to see Ryder play for a team that I dont hate.......the Canucks.

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What is Ryder looking for? He's been discussed as a potential target over on the Canucks board.
He would be great for Vancouver, another player who will disappear in the playoffs and bring absolutely nothing outside of his one skill to games.

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I was really happy with Ryder's performance during the regular season; the playoffs however...

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06-26-2013, 12:53 AM
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I was really happy with Ryder's performance during the regular season; the playoffs however...
Gets .62ppg in regular season and .6 in PO.
In the case of Ryder, scoring is a good measure.
You don't see him but he ends up regularly on the scoreboard.

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Keeping him would be a lateral move at best, and with the salary he will request, would probably hamper our own RFAs resigning next year. I don't think Bergevin had any intention to keep him when he made the trade (barring a Conn Smythe-like playoffs performance).

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What is Ryder looking for? He's been discussed as a potential target over on the Canucks board.
I would say 4.5-5 x 3 years.

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Put Ryder with your best playmaking center and he will do nothing but pump in the goals.

He is extremely talented. However, his success is totally dependent upon his center getting him the puck when he skates to an opening.

Would love to see Ryder play for a team that I dont hate.......the Canucks.
It depends. He really has to be in the right place, right time. Sure he finds himself some space (moreso than he used to), but only once the play is in the zone. He was great just after coming over, but then he looked like a 50 year old vet. Couldn't keep up with the pace, no intensity and sooooooo slow. Clearly East-West/PP specialist and he just can't do it consistently. Put the puck on his stick in a good shooting spot, you've probably got a goal. Ask him to do some work...not gonna do much and sometimes all 5 players need to do some work when the going gets tough.

Funny that Kesler2Burrows asked about him cuz I'd much rather have Raymond's speed and work ethic the way we are being built (before you say it, Bickell is 10 times faster than Ryder).

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Meh not really. Ballard and Luongo are not going to be back next year they will either be traded for non cap assets or bought out. Guys like Raymond and Roy won't be retained so if Ryder were to sign for anything under 4 we'd be able to fit him in.
I'm pretty sure Ryder will cost around 5 mil given a weak UFA market and his production the last 2 years. Something around 18-21 mil for 4 years.

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I was really happy with Ryder's performance during the regular season; the playoffs however...
Over his career he is 21-24-45 in 75 playoff games(0.60 PPGM) and he put up 8-9-17 the year Boston won the cup so this year's playoffs were not the norm.

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He would be great for Vancouver, another player who will disappear in the playoffs and bring absolutely nothing outside of his one skill to games.
He still has more cups than my entire franchise

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I'm pretty sure Ryder will cost around 5 mil given a weak UFA market and his production the last 2 years. Something around 18-21 mil for 4 years.
5 mill for Ryder???No thanks.

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Ryder and Higgins were good buddies, if I remember correctly.

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Put Ryder with your best playmaking center and he will do nothing but pump in the goals.

He is extremely talented. However, his success is totally dependent upon his center getting him the puck when he skates to an opening.

Would love to see Ryder play for a team that I dont hate.......the Canucks.
If having a good, quick shot is the definition of extremely talented then I would agree with you but he isn't a great skater, he's not a good puck carrier, he is a liability in his own end, he is not physical and he is not a particularly hard worker.

However, he has a quick, accurate release.

I wish him well but I won't miss him.

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I'm pretty sure Ryder will cost around 5 mil given a weak UFA market and his production the last 2 years. Something around 18-21 mil for 4 years.
No wonder Letang thinks he is worth $60 million over 8 years.

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