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[CGY] 6th, 22nd, 28th for [COL] 1st?

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06-28-2013, 07:33 PM
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While I agree with the statement, Backlund is not a prospect. At all.
True.

I was more referring to players that might be able to take over roles in the organization going forward. I should have clarrified that, instead of grouping Backlund in with the "Prospects".

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06-28-2013, 08:54 PM
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For Calgary?

We miss out on franchise player and would draft a bunch of maybes

NO from CO...of course they already said no.
Hi, you must be new here.

Let me fill you in.

If the Calgary Flames do anything at all the proper response is as follows:

That's horrible. Feaster should be fired, he is the worst GM in the NHL. How does he even have a job? The Flames need to rebuild.

Do this and you will fit in just fine.

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06-28-2013, 08:56 PM
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That's awful for Calgary.
Neither team walks away happy

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Hard to see Colorado moving out of the top three unless they are improving their current roster drastically.

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06-28-2013, 09:04 PM
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I'd rather have a dollar bill in my pocket than 11 dimes.

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While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, I'd have to say Calgary desperately needs a franchise player to build around just as much as they need depth. Depth is a bit easier to acquire.
I agree with you that they definitely do, but I feel like Calgary is a place a good free agent or two would sign if they team is competitive. Let's not forget that this rebuild has just begun (has it even?). They're essentially building an entire roster.

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I'd rather have a dollar bill in my pocket than 11 dimes.
That's because you're an (insert pejorative here).

Who'd rather have nearly 10% less money?

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06-28-2013, 09:11 PM
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Honest question: When was the last time a team a team traded out of the No. 1 slot? Last I can remember is in 2002 when Columbus traded picks with Florida and took Nash.

That was over a decade ago. I don't see it happening in this draft either. As much as we fans want our teams to maximize value, it is much more important to simply grab the franchise player that is there for the taking at #1. I expect the Avs will do the same.

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06-28-2013, 09:20 PM
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Honest question: When was the last time a team a team traded out of the No. 1 slot? Last I can remember is in 2002 when Columbus traded picks with Florida and took Nash.

That was over a decade ago. I don't see it happening in this draft either. As much as we fans want our teams to maximize value, it is much more important to simply grab the franchise player that is there for the taking at #1. I expect the Avs will do the same.
PIT swapped picks with FLA to draft MA Fluery - and FLA pick Horton

TB traded away the Stefan pick to VAN who than fliped it to Atlanta in the sedin Draft

The Vinny Lacavalier pick was traded away from FLA to SJ than to TB

And the one you mentioned FLA to CLB drafts Nash, FLA takes Bouwmeester

But yeah since the 2003 draft it hasnt been traded away!

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06-28-2013, 09:32 PM
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2011: 1)RNH 6)MIKA ZIBANEJAD 22)TYLER BIGGS 28)ZACK PHILLIPS
2010: 1)TAYLOR HALL 6)BRETT CONNOLLY 22) JARRED TINORDI 28) CHARLIE COYLE
2009: 1)JOHN TAVARES 6) OEL 22) RICHARD PANIK 28)JESSE BLACKER
2008: 1)STEVEN STAMKOS 6)NIKITA FILATOV 22) JORDAN EBERLE 28) VIKTOR TIKHONOV
2007: 1)PATRICK KANE 6)SAM GAGNER 22) MAX PACIORETTY 28)NICK PETRECKI
2006: 1)EJ 6)DERICK BRASSARD 22) CLAUDE GIROUX 28)NICK FOLIGNO
2005: 1)SIDNEY CROSBY 6)GILBERT BRULE 22) MATT LASHOFF 28)MATT NISKANEN

I would take the #1 overall every year except 2006, ironically the last year a D was taken first overall.
It's gonna be Mac to the Avs. Hurry up Sunday...

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06-28-2013, 09:41 PM
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PIT swapped picks with FLA to draft MA Fluery - and FLA pick Horton

TB traded away the Stefan pick to VAN who than fliped it to Atlanta in the sedin Draft

The Vinny Lacavalier pick was traded away from FLA to SJ than to TB

And the one you mentioned FLA to CLB drafts Nash, FLA takes Bouwmeester

But yeah since the 2003 draft it hasnt been traded away!
My mistake on '03. I thought Pittsburgh held that pick from the start.

In any case, the idea of "maximizing value" of the #1 overall pick is overrated on these boards. Sakic is not bluffing when he talks about who he might take. He's doing so because he has the #1 pick and can do whatever he likes and no one can stop him. How can you "bluff" when you have a straight flush and everyone knows it?

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06-28-2013, 09:50 PM
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Calgary should add one of the awesome prospects that they picked up at the trade deadline to seal the deal.

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2011: 1)RNH 6)MIKA ZIBANEJAD 22)TYLER BIGGS 28)ZACK PHILLIPS
2010: 1)TAYLOR HALL 6)BRETT CONNOLLY 22) JARRED TINORDI 28) CHARLIE COYLE
2009: 1)JOHN TAVARES 6) OEL 22) RICHARD PANIK 28)JESSE BLACKER
2008: 1)STEVEN STAMKOS 6)NIKITA FILATOV 22) JORDAN EBERLE 28) VIKTOR TIKHONOV
2007: 1)PATRICK KANE 6)SAM GAGNER 22) MAX PACIORETTY 28)NICK PETRECKI
2006: 1)EJ 6)DERICK BRASSARD 22) CLAUDE GIROUX 28)NICK FOLIGNO
2005: 1)SIDNEY CROSBY 6)GILBERT BRULE 22) MATT LASHOFF 28)MATT NISKANEN

I would take the #1 overall every year except 2006, ironically the last year a D was taken first overall.
It's gonna be Mac to the Avs. Hurry up Sunday...
The only difference being is that this years draft will be deeper that those mentioned. Wow, 2005 is Oooglay

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Just take Lindholm/Monahan, Pulock/Hartman, and Morrissey/Klimchuk at #6, #22, and #28 respectively. We need quantity as much as we need quality. Not to mention the quantity ain't too shabby either.

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06-28-2013, 11:13 PM
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Don't think first overall is worth 6th + 22nd + 28th.

Calgary still does this despite being low on depth in the prospect department.

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06-29-2013, 12:22 AM
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With the top overall pick you have like a 85% chance of landing a stud. With Calgary's more like 30-40% and 15% of landing 2 or more studs.
No offense to anyone but those odds might be a little on the high side, OR, has the fact Feaster will be making these choices, already been compensated into that percentage?

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06-29-2013, 12:34 AM
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How about instead of offering picks from this years draft the flames offer the aves their first round pick in 2013+first round pick 2014? The lineup the flames plan on icing next year is terrible. That 2014 pick is destined to be 30th overall next year. Do the aves trade mackinnon for monahan/ lindholm this year plus Aaron ekblad/Sam reinhart next year?

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06-29-2013, 12:36 AM
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Don't think first overall is worth 6th + 22nd + 28th.
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2011: 1)RNH 6)MIKA ZIBANEJAD 22)TYLER BIGGS 28)ZACK PHILLIPS
2010: 1)TAYLOR HALL 6)BRETT CONNOLLY 22) JARRED TINORDI 28) CHARLIE COYLE
2009: 1)JOHN TAVARES 6) OEL 22) RICHARD PANIK 28)JESSE BLACKER
2008: 1)STEVEN STAMKOS 6)NIKITA FILATOV 22) JORDAN EBERLE 28) VIKTOR TIKHONOV
2007: 1)PATRICK KANE 6)SAM GAGNER 22) MAX PACIORETTY 28)NICK PETRECKI
2006: 1)EJ 6)DERICK BRASSARD 22) CLAUDE GIROUX 28)NICK FOLIGNO
2005: 1)SIDNEY CROSBY 6)GILBERT BRULE 22) MATT LASHOFF 28)MATT NISKANEN.
That's pretty definitive. The #1 is usually a stud, and this year it will be again with Nate Mac. Calgary would have to add one more big piece, like say Giordano.

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How about instead of offering picks from this years draft the flames offer the aves their first round pick in 2013+first round pick 2014? The lineup the flames plan on icing next year is terrible. That 2014 pick is destined to be 30th overall next year. Do the aves trade mackinnon for monahan/ lindholm this year plus Aaron ekblad/Sam reinhart next year?
If you could get Florida or Tampa Bay into the discussion, then something might be workable. It should be pretty clear from the fact that the Avs have been pretty adamant about staying in the top 3, that they are risk adverse (going for nearly sure things even if other options might be better in the long run - i.e., Seth Jones). Because the 2014 pick has no certainty to it, the Avs would not accept it to drop out of the top 3. I'm not saying it's not fair value - just that the Avs won't do it.

But here's the other point: there's no way Calgary should make the offer. Why potentially lose out on a solid pick this year and Ekblad next year just for MacKinnon this year? You need to fill out a team and putting all your eggs into a single basket at this point would prolong your rebuild.

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1st and Hedja
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2009: 1)JOHN TAVARES 6) OEL 22) RICHARD PANIK 28)JESSE BLACKER
Those players were 2nd rounders. Schroeder was 22nd and Olsen was 28th.

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That's pretty definitive. The #1 is usually a stud, and this year it will be again with Nate Mac. Calgary would have to add one more big piece, like say Giordano.
I probably should have been more clear.

I meant that the first overall is worth more than 6 + 22 + 28 and that was implied from the following sentence.

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Don't think first overall is worth 6th + 22nd + 28th.

Calgary still does this despite being low on depth in the prospect department.
History doesn't lie.

Anyone who suggests the 1st overall pick is not worth these 3 picks needs to reconsider their approach to value in trades. History has already proven that the first overall pick is better than the combination of picks, not once but on many other occasions. A first overall pick in the modern era is the closest thing to a guaranteed franchise player. And franchise players do NOT grow on trees. Especially with the drop off after Drouin/Mackinnon/Jones. People really need to use their heads these days. HF is disappointing yet again.

Calgary does this in two seconds.


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Those players were 2nd rounders. Schroeder was 22nd and Olsen was 28th.
My bad. Was watching TV while cutting/pasting. Still end up take #1 in that year.

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Honest question: When was the last time a team a team traded out of the No. 1 slot? Last I can remember is in 2002 when Columbus traded picks with Florida and took Nash.

That was over a decade ago. I don't see it happening in this draft either. As much as we fans want our teams to maximize value, it is much more important to simply grab the franchise player that is there for the taking at #1. I expect the Avs will do the same.
It's happened four times. Three of the times Rick Dudley was the GM.

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