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06-29-2013, 09:16 AM
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It's going to be a fun draft. Would love to see Risto/Zad/Nurse in the first and find a way to trade back into the first round and steal someone like Petan or Rychel or Morin or Morrissey or Mantha... etc

So many good prospects in this draft, it almost doesn't matter.

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06-29-2013, 09:17 AM
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Pulock can't pass or carry the puck?

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Im so pumped for this draft. Who knows what will happen. That's part of the fun though. You never know what you're going to get. Tomorrow needs to get here

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06-29-2013, 09:30 AM
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Not interested in a guy who wasn't considered a first round pick until like 15 minutes ago.
So you also didn't want Giroux?

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06-29-2013, 09:35 AM
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Pulock can't pass or carry the puck?
Nope, I don't think you understand, a few scouts questioned his skating and defense. You know what that means, horrible player, shouldn't even be in the first round let alone in this draft with all these crazy talented kids. Pulock has no problems skating, makes great passes as well. His shot is a bomb, and he just converted to defense not that long ago. He has the biggest bust potential I think in the draft, but let him develop, he could turn into a special player.

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06-29-2013, 09:50 AM
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Well i have Pulock as my #3 defender. risto and Mor infront of him.

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06-29-2013, 10:19 AM
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Said in October he was a 4th or 5th rounder. This kid is shooting up the charts. Pulock has a shot and that's it. Morrissey is way to small. I do like Ristlainen however Morin has the highest ceiling of them all. He very well could be the hammer this team has lacked since Chris got hurt.

Pulock was considered a top 15 pick just like Morrissey on some boards.
Bigger does not mean better. Need Hockey IQ, Need puck handling skills, PP skills,
above average skating atleast---Pulock and Morrissey both have those attributes.
Morin not sure he will ever develop into anything worth #11 overall--could be Coburn 2.0

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06-29-2013, 10:27 AM
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Pulock was considered a top 15 pick just like Morrissey on some boards.
Bigger does not mean better. Need Hockey IQ, Need puck handling skills, PP skills,
above average skating atleast---Pulock and Morrissey both have those attributes.
Morin not sure he will ever develop into anything worth #11 overall--could be Coburn 2.0
You seem to think that the majority of the d-man in the draft project to be Coburn

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06-29-2013, 10:32 AM
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You seem to think that the majority of the d-man in the draft project to be Coburn
If they are big and offensively challanged then = Coburn
I got my Coburn do not need another with #11 pick.
The days of behmoth clutching and grabbing defensemen is over.
Need some offensive skill to balance all the defensive defensemen
we draft in rounds 2-7.

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06-29-2013, 10:54 AM
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So you also didn't want Giroux?
Actually no, I didn't want Giroux when we drafted him. I didn't not want him, I was more indifferent about the pick.

But how often do players who are very late risers pan out better than the guys who were initially ranked higher?

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06-29-2013, 11:01 AM
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So you also didn't want Giroux?
Giroux and Morin's rise are not even remotely comparable. Giroux oozed skill and completed a 100+ point season. He was underrated due to his size. It was also Giroux's rookie season in the CHL which is why he started out so low. He was originally thought to be too small for that level. Morin is the opposite. Hasn't shown a boatload of skill, but everyone falls in love with him because he is 6'7" and everyone immediately thinks Chara. It's also his 2nd year in the CHL.

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06-29-2013, 11:04 AM
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Just saw him again on NHL network. Jeez this is one tough SOB! He is not skinny. I would not mind at all if the Flyers picked him.
I would... if we pick him at 11 it is a silly risk.

I always remember Boris Valabik and how much he rose for being a big, tough D man who was defensively aware and had 'potential' to be more offensive.

Look how that panned out.

Morin is a better skater than Valabik though, which improves his chance of success greatly, and is more disciplined.

If we get a later 1st in addition to the #11, I would be happy to take Morin, not at 11 though.

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06-29-2013, 11:10 AM
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I think I'm the only person who wants the Flyers to somehow get Morrissey so we have a Moz-Mez pairing.

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If they are big and offensively challanged then = Coburn
I got my Coburn do not need another with #11 pick.
The days of behmoth clutching and grabbing defensemen is over.
Need some offensive skill to balance all the defensive defensemen
we draft in rounds 2-7.
I think you are in for a dissapointment if you think getting someone like Coburn at #11 is a waste.

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06-29-2013, 11:30 AM
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I think I'm the only person who wants the Flyers to somehow get Morrissey so we have a Moz-Mez pairing.
I'd like them to get Morrissey and Morin.
They played together in the WJC and apparently where dynamite.

If we could get Nurse, let's take him.
If not, trade down and pick those two.

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sorry wrong thread.

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06-29-2013, 12:59 PM
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I think you are in for a dissapointment if you think getting someone like Coburn at #11 is a waste.
I usually am dissapointed come draft day--- too many centers drafted,
no commitment to drafting top end defenders.

Needed top defenseman, Wanted Hamilton, Got Couturier instead.

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06-29-2013, 01:40 PM
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I usually am dissapointed come draft day--- too many centers drafted,
no commitment to drafting top end defenders.

Needed top defenseman, Wanted Hamilton, Got Couturier instead.
Team was going to pick Duncan Siemens anyway so you were 100% bound to be disappointed.

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06-29-2013, 01:53 PM
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I usually am dissapointed come draft day--- too many centers drafted,
no commitment to drafting top end defenders.

Needed top defenseman, Wanted Hamilton, Got Couturier instead.
Couturier was the better player.

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06-29-2013, 03:13 PM
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I would... if we pick him at 11 it is a silly risk.

I always remember Boris Valabik and how much he rose for being a big, tough D man who was defensively aware and had 'potential' to be more offensive.

Look how that panned out.
Spot on.

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06-29-2013, 04:03 PM
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Being a draft junkie, I figured I'd post my top 30 here:

1) Seth Jones
2) Nathan MacKinnon
3) Elias Lindholm
4) Jonathan Drouin
5) Aleksander Barkov
6) Sean Monahan
7) Max Domi
8) Alexander Wennberg
9) Bo Horvat
10) Josh Morrissey
11) Ryan Hartman
12) Robert Hagg
13) Curtis Lazar
14) Ryan Pulock
15) Morgan Klimchuk
16) Darnell Nurse
17) Hunter Shinkaruk
18) Rasmus Ristolainen
19) Steve Santini
20) J.T. Compher
21) Yan Pavel Laplante
22) Nic Petan
23) Nikita Zadorov
24) Kerby Rychel
25) Zach Nastasiuk
26) Justin Bailey
27) Frederik Gauthier
28) Shea Theodore
29) Samuel Morin
30) Ian McCoshen

Before anybody asks, I have Nichushkin as a Do Not Draft which is why he's not on my list. Another couple guys I like a lot who aren't talked about much are Greg Chase and Jackson Houck. Wouldn't be upset to see the Flyers draft either player.

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06-29-2013, 04:07 PM
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Being a draft junkie, I figured I'd post my top 30 here:

1) Seth Jones
2) Nathan MacKinnon
3) Elias Lindholm
4) Jonathan Drouin
5) Aleksander Barkov
6) Sean Monahan
7) Max Domi
8) Alexander Wennberg
9) Bo Horvat
10) Josh Morrissey
11) Ryan Hartman
12) Robert Hagg
13) Curtis Lazar
14) Ryan Pulock
15) Morgan Klimchuk
16) Darnell Nurse
17) Hunter Shinkaruk
18) Rasmus Ristolainen
19) Steve Santini
20) J.T. Compher
21) Yan Pavel Laplante
22) Nic Petan
23) Nikita Zadorov
24) Kerby Rychel
25) Zach Nastasiuk
26) Justin Bailey
27) Frederik Gauthier
28) Shea Theodore
29) Samuel Morin
30) Ian McCoshen

Before anybody asks, I have Nichushkin as a Do Not Draft which is why he's not on my list. Another couple guys I like a lot who aren't talked about much are Greg Chase and Jackson Houck. Wouldn't be upset to see the Flyers draft either player.
You have some guys way too low that are penciled in to be top 10 picks, then guys like Hartman in the top 11....far fetched

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06-29-2013, 04:27 PM
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You have some guys way too low that are penciled in to be top 10 picks, then guys like Hartman in the top 11....far fetched
This is my personal list, not a mock draft.

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I would... if we pick him at 11 it is a silly risk.

I always remember Boris Valabik and how much he rose for being a big, tough D man who was defensively aware and had 'potential' to be more offensive.

Look how that panned out.

Morin is a better skater than Valabik though, which improves his chance of success greatly, and is more disciplined.

If we get a later 1st in addition to the #11, I would be happy to take Morin, not at 11 though.
i don't think the comparison to valabik is fair because he was drafted by Atlanta who has had maybe a handful of decent players that were drafted by them and panned out, their coaching was awful almost all the time, plus he couldn't stay healthy.

i agree with what you say about drafting him later. though i think a team will make a really big reach for him in the top 15 like when McIlrath got drafted at 10 overall.

i wouldn't draft him if guys like risto or nurse are on the board, but i think he's on that tier with zadorov where it's like "he's a safe pick to be like a 2nd or 3rd pairing at worse but if they develop and reach their upside, watch out"

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06-29-2013, 06:57 PM
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Giroux and Morin's rise are not even remotely comparable. Giroux oozed skill and completed a 100+ point season. He was underrated due to his size. It was also Giroux's rookie season in the CHL which is why he started out so low. He was originally thought to be too small for that level. Morin is the opposite. Hasn't shown a boatload of skill, but everyone falls in love with him because he is 6'7" and everyone immediately thinks Chara. It's also his 2nd year in the CHL.
Yep you nailed it. The only reason the experts like this kid is because he is tall. Your point pertaining to his time in the CHL?

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