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06-29-2013, 11:33 AM
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Yet he's putting on a passing clinic on a weekly basis on a team with an o-line and some weapons coming out of the backfield.

Remember how you used to rip Ray for the short 5 and 6 yard passes?

How's that analysis working for you now?
We had diffferent offensive coordinators in the time Ray was here. We had one constant, Ray, throwing short passes primarily.

Ray has been revamped in Toronto and we happen to know the guy that did it. Its no secret, Milanovich said he would do it and rework how Ray is seeing and playing the game. It worked.

But like I said it wasn't working here. Do you disagree?

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06-29-2013, 11:36 AM
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We had diffferent offensive coordinators in the time Ray was here. We had one constant, Ray, throwing short passes primarily.

Ray has been revamped in Toronto and we happen to know the guy that did it. Its no secret, Milanovich said he would do it and rework how Ray is seeing and playing the game. It worked.

But like I said it wasn't working here. Do you disagree?
Firing the OC> Trading Ray.

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06-29-2013, 11:36 AM
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Nan, it was never a trade which I stated. It was a salary dump so that the club could move in other directions and build out the team in different ways.

Last season sucked. It was like a surreal dream sequence season. Hopefully this nightmare is different.

Re: Ray though when is the last time he tossed 4 TD passes in a game playing for the Esks?

Again this is a different, revitalized Ray who apparently didn't mind playing elsewhere. We weren't getting this performance from Ray here.
That last part is just pure speculation on your part.

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06-29-2013, 12:00 PM
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Firing the OC> Trading Ray.
But we did that. Chapdelaine didn't even help here with Ray. Had I not seen how brutal Ray played under Chapdelaine I might have a different opinion.

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That last part is just pure speculation on your part.
Is it really? Milanovich in his own words felt he had something in Ray but had to really rework how Ray was seeing and playing the game. It took Milanovich to do that and put it together.

As recently as 2010 Ray threw 11 TD passes in one whole season. His game had fallen apart. This offense was anemic with him in Edmonton much of the time.

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06-29-2013, 12:22 PM
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The divorce was necessary, folks. Ray had checked out on us. Sometimes you just have to start over. I think Reilly will be a gem.

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06-29-2013, 12:59 PM
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We had diffferent offensive coordinators in the time Ray was here. We had one constant, Ray, throwing short passes primarily.

Ray has been revamped in Toronto and we happen to know the guy that did it. Its no secret, Milanovich said he would do it and rework how Ray is seeing and playing the game. It worked.

But like I said it wasn't working here. Do you disagree?
The problem lies in your diagnosis as to why "it wasn't working".

You placed the blame on Ray, but Ray has proven to be an effective player - in fact an all-star - after he moved to a new team.

The Eskimos have continued to suck, which proves the problem was never with Ray, yet it is Ray that you wanted to run out of town.

Let's not engage in revisionist history. No quarterback is going to be effective playing behind a line that gives him no time, and being stuck with a backfield that can't make plays.

Maybe the reason Ray checked out is that he was sick of getting pounded into the turf on a terribly constructed team.

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06-29-2013, 01:07 PM
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But we did that. Chapdelaine didn't even help here with Ray. Had I not seen how brutal Ray played under Chapdelaine I might have a different opinion.



Is it really? Milanovich in his own words felt he had something in Ray but had to really rework how Ray was seeing and playing the game. It took Milanovich to do that and put it together.

As recently as 2010 Ray threw 11 TD passes in one whole season. His game had fallen apart. This offense was anemic with him in Edmonton much of the time.
You say he checked out but you offer absolutely no proof.

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06-29-2013, 01:12 PM
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The problem lies in your diagnosis as to why "it wasn't working".

You placed the blame on Ray, but Ray has proven to be an effective player - in fact an all-star - after he moved to a new team.

The Eskimos have continued to suck, which proves the problem was never with Ray, yet it is Ray that you wanted to run out of town.

Let's not engage in revisionist history. No quarterback is going to be effective playing behind a line that gives him no time, and being stuck with a backfield that can't make plays.

Maybe the reason Ray checked out is that he was sick of getting pounded into the turf on a terribly constructed team.
Miss attribution. I agree, you are correct in posterity.

I was wrong. Clearly. Fortunately I'm not Tillman and had no hands in the departure of Ricky Ray. I'm some stumblebum hack typing away. Nothing more. Not sure why my opinion would be so significant.

I hereby eat humble crow pie. Again.

On the other hand, and just a personal preference, I would just as soon be watching guys like Reilly and Crompton that show an eagerness and fire here to Ray, who stopped showing that here several years ago.

Again Ricky died for me the day I had to sit through a 36-1 shellacking at Commonwealth. The single worst home game in Eskimos history with the fans booing Ray off the field after each two and out series. It was the Patrick Roy 9-1 loss at the forum moment to anyone that watched it.
Clearly both are good players, legends I guess, but sometimes the fanbase wants something else. In this case at the time I think a lot of people wanted and welcomed change. May not be logical, it isn't, but fandom is a largely emotional connection.

hope this sits well with the critics

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06-29-2013, 01:17 PM
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You say he checked out but you offer absolutely no proof.
What proof could I possibly offer?

What proof is ever really posted here in regards to the Edmonton Oilers/ Edmonton Eskimos?

As fans we get bits and pieces. Its all we ever get.

Do you disagree Ray played poorly in 2010 when rumblings first started about his prowess here? Do you disagree that 11 TD passes in an entire season is startingly bad for a veteran starting CFL QB?

I know Ray is doing well, we all get that. He wasn't doing all that well here at getting the ball in the endzone in recent years.

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06-29-2013, 02:23 PM
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So there's a game today or something hey?

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06-29-2013, 02:55 PM
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So there's a game today or something hey?
Apparently the 2013 Eskimos are playing. Man oh man would a win put everyone in a good mood.

I finally bought my first Eskimo jersey this week. Really hoping Reilly dominates so I can know what to crest it. Otherwise, perhaps Sheritt.

Lots of Rider fans in town. Should be a great away game crowd for us.

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06-29-2013, 02:58 PM
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Riders destroying our D. Marching the ball downfield with ease.

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06-29-2013, 03:02 PM
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Riders destroying our D. Marching the ball downfield with ease.
Sheetz is pounding the line and getting some stupid-good yardage too. Ouch.

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06-29-2013, 03:03 PM
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Penalties. Penalties everywhere.

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Our defense ****ing sucks. Check that, our secondary ****ing sucks.

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D line getting owned early.

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06-29-2013, 03:05 PM
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Already down by 2 touchdowns in the opening quarter of the season.

Lets. Go. Eskimos!

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Horrendous defense.

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06-29-2013, 03:15 PM
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ANOTHER penalty. Cripes. Can't win if you get penalized every other play.

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06-29-2013, 03:18 PM
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Typical Kavis reed coached team, a million undiscipline penalties.

Greg Marshalls defense has more holes in it than a sponge.

Kick return game is humiliatingly bad.

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Typical Kavis reed coached team, a million undiscipline penalties.

Greg Marshalls defense has more holes in it than a sponge.

Kick return game is humiliatingly bad.

Less than 20 minutes into the season.



Might be a good idea to at least give them a half before you write them off, don't you think...

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06-29-2013, 03:22 PM
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Either Stamps is hurt and is just being used as a pylon or Reilly is just as clueless as Jyles. Throw to Stamps fool.

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The Esks need something substantive. Reilly hasn't been bad but he needs to connect on some big yardage to get the machinery in motion.

The defence has been lacklustre and it'd be worse if Sherrit wasn't bailing everyone out.

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06-29-2013, 03:26 PM
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Either Stamps is hurt and is just being used as a pylon or Reilly is just as clueless as Jyles. Throw to Stamps fool.
And there you go. Reilly hits that right on the mark. Stamps, of course, does what he does best.

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