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06-29-2013, 03:01 PM
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Make a framework around Schneider/ Coburn. Perhap add in Edler, Read and pics.Wrong thread I know but Vancouver seems better for our needs


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Which would be somewhat consistent with the reports that Oilers fans would be livid with price.

Honestly, that return is not exactly glowing for the Flyers, an organization that historically does not place great value on 2nd round picks (which, after all, are about a 1 in 10 shot).

EDIT: I'd really prefer that the deal gets built around Klefbom and Coburn. It gives the Oilers some immediate help and the Flyers a cost-controlled, near NHL-ready piece who has the potential to be better (or worse) than Coburn in the future.
There is zero chance that Klefbom is traded in any package for Coburn.
The organization is expecting big things from him.

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Almost anything would be an upgrade on Potter, tbh.

Is Coburn really that good?
Defensively, yes, Coburn IS that good. He is still the guy we put out there to match up against guys like Malkin, Stamkos and Tavares. He's our best chance of shutting down those guys and if you want a chance of shutting down the top line of the other team, he's your man. He will, by fay, be your best defensive dman.


The more I think about it, if we assume that "rumors" to be true then I think that this just makes the most sense for both teams:

MSP + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

Oilers want a top pairing dman and they get that in Coburn. Flyers "want" a top 9 forward and they get that in MSP. The Oilers NEED a good center prospect and they get that in Laughton. The Flyers NEED an offensive minded dman prospect and they get that in Klefbom. They Flyers can afford to lose Laughton and the Oilers canafford to lose Klefbom. It hurts some to lose prospects like them but both teams deal from apposition of strength and add in a place of need (both at the NHL level AND in prospect terms).

I'd LOVE to get the Oilers 7th OA but I just don't see them trading it, it's a potentially very valuable asset and the risk of that player becoming something very special AND needing ELC's to be able to afford some higher end contracts in this cap era makes it unlikely that teams just trade away top picks like this.

I'm sure that there are going to be people on both sides crying "Wolf" and saying they are giving up far more than they are getting but I think this is both fair and addresses issues for both teams. It just seems to make sense to me.

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Meh on Paajarvi. The boat left port with that one.
He's a very good 3rd liner already and has plenty of potential to be a 2nd liner.

You could have another Voracek on your hands if he ends up in Philly.

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Make a framework around Schneider/ Coburn. Perhap add in Edler, Read and pics.Wrong thread I know but Vancouver seems better for our needs
Edler would cost an arm and a leg. #1 d-man on a redic good contract

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Defensively, yes, Coburn IS that good. He is still the guy we put out there to match up against guys like Malkin, Stamkos and Tavares. He's our best chance of shutting down those guys and if you want a chance of shutting down the top line of the other team, he's your man. He will, by fay, be your best defensive dman.


The more I think about it, if we assume that "rumors" to be true then I think that this just makes the most sense for both teams:

MSP + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

Oilers want a top pairing dman and they get that in Coburn. Flyers "want" a top 9 forward and they get that in MSP. The Oilers NEED a good center prospect and they get that in Laughton. The Flyers NEED an offensive minded dman prospect and they get that in Klefbom. They Flyers can afford to lose Laughton and the Oilers canafford to lose Klefbom. It hurts some to lose prospects like them but both teams deal from apposition of strength and add in a place of need (both at the NHL level AND in prospect terms).

I'd LOVE to get the Oilers 7th OA but I just don't see them trading it, it's a potentially very valuable asset and the risk of that player becoming something very special AND needing ELC's to be able to afford some higher end contracts in this cap era makes it unlikely that teams just trade away top picks like this.

I'm sure that there are going to be people on both sides crying "Wolf" and saying they are giving up far more than they are getting but I think this is both fair and addresses issues for both teams. It just seems to make sense to me.

But Coburn is not a top pairing dman. He's an average #4 who is a little overpaid.

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Because the Flyers don't have zero defense. Actually, they have too many defenders.

Timonen-Coburn
Streit-Schenn
Grossmann-Meszaros
Gustafsson

There are five players who could be legitimate top four defenders (and being paid like it). One of them has to move.
the Oilers have 3 legitimate top 4 defenders. Reality is that they're all 3/4 guys. I think the same goes for Phillys defense

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Can't see Klefbom being a player that Edmonton is willing to give up. Management thinks very highly of him. I believe he is considered a future core piece of the team.
klefbom is our #1 prospect. There was a report that MacTavish went all the way to Sweden, watched 5 minutes, and saw all he needed to see. MacT came out later and said he was untouchable. There are quotes to back this up

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I'd LOVE to get the Oilers 7th OA but I just don't see them trading it, it's a potentially very valuable asset and the risk of that player becoming something very special AND needing ELC's to be able to afford some higher end contracts in this cap era makes it unlikely that teams just trade away top picks like this.
I think the Flyers are much much more likely to get the 7th than you are Klefbom. Management is in love with the guy.

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Defensively, yes, Coburn IS that good. He is still the guy we put out there to match up against guys like Malkin, Stamkos and Tavares. He's our best chance of shutting down those guys and if you want a chance of shutting down the top line of the other team, he's your man. He will, by fay, be your best defensive dman.


The more I think about it, if we assume that "rumors" to be true then I think that this just makes the most sense for both teams:

MSP + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

Oilers want a top pairing dman and they get that in Coburn. Flyers "want" a top 9 forward and they get that in MSP. The Oilers NEED a good center prospect and they get that in Laughton. The Flyers NEED an offensive minded dman prospect and they get that in Klefbom. They Flyers can afford to lose Laughton and the Oilers canafford to lose Klefbom. It hurts some to lose prospects like them but both teams deal from apposition of strength and add in a place of need (both at the NHL level AND in prospect terms).

I'd LOVE to get the Oilers 7th OA but I just don't see them trading it, it's a potentially very valuable asset and the risk of that player becoming something very special AND needing ELC's to be able to afford some higher end contracts in this cap era makes it unlikely that teams just trade away top picks like this.

I'm sure that there are going to be people on both sides crying "Wolf" and saying they are giving up far more than they are getting but I think this is both fair and addresses issues for both teams. It just seems to make sense to me.
Klefbom once again will not be part of any trade today tomorrow next week .

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Make a framework around Schneider/ Coburn. Perhap add in Edler, Read and pics.Wrong thread I know but Vancouver seems better for our needs


What have you been smoking this morning.

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Defensively, yes, Coburn IS that good. He is still the guy we put out there to match up against guys like Malkin, Stamkos and Tavares. He's our best chance of shutting down those guys and if you want a chance of shutting down the top line of the other team, he's your man. He will, by fay, be your best defensive dman.


The more I think about it, if we assume that "rumors" to be true then I think that this just makes the most sense for both teams:

MSP + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

Oilers want a top pairing dman and they get that in Coburn. Flyers "want" a top 9 forward and they get that in MSP. The Oilers NEED a good center prospect and they get that in Laughton. The Flyers NEED an offensive minded dman prospect and they get that in Klefbom. They Flyers can afford to lose Laughton and the Oilers canafford to lose Klefbom. It hurts some to lose prospects like them but both teams deal from apposition of strength and add in a place of need (both at the NHL level AND in prospect terms).

I'd LOVE to get the Oilers 7th OA but I just don't see them trading it, it's a potentially very valuable asset and the risk of that player becoming something very special AND needing ELC's to be able to afford some higher end contracts in this cap era makes it unlikely that teams just trade away top picks like this.

I'm sure that there are going to be people on both sides crying "Wolf" and saying they are giving up far more than they are getting but I think this is both fair and addresses issues for both teams. It just seems to make sense to me.
I hate that offer. So it's probably fair

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Is there a reason the Flyers consistently trade defenders for forwards when they already have good offense and zero defense?
Our owner wants to win now and thinks that all offense and no defense is the way to achieve that goal. Although he's not the one actually MAKING the deals, he DOES "direct" the direction that Holmgren takes. It's frustrating as hell as a Flyers fan when this happens.

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But Coburn is not a top pairing dman. He's an average #4 who is a little overpaid.
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agreed. Of course I'd like to see a swap of 1st's and Coburn. The sentiment on HF was that it would cost the Oilers Gagner + 7th to move up to 5th overall so by HF standards this isn't to far off. Reality is 2nd + Coburn for 7th
Yeah, that's funny. No way it costs that much to move up just 2 spots.


I also agree with you that Coburn + 2nd for 7th is fair and reasonable. IDK if that's the deal in place and I'm not trying to tell Oiler fans that they SHOULD do it, but it's probably fair.

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Dreger on NHL Network. Said Holmgren has 2 possible deals he likes.
1. Coburn to Carolina for the #5

2. Coburn to Edm for #7 and 4th Rounder

I like coburn a lot and would argue that he is worth a top 10 pick but a top 5? It must be because of his caphit.

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I think the Flyers are much much more likely to get the 7th than you are Klefbom. Management is in love with the guy.
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Klefbom once again will not be part of any trade today tomorrow next week .
Okay, it just seemed to make sense to me.

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Defensively, yes, Coburn IS that good. He is still the guy we put out there to match up against guys like Malkin, Stamkos and Tavares. He's our best chance of shutting down those guys and if you want a chance of shutting down the top line of the other team, he's your man. He will, by fay, be your best defensive dman.


The more I think about it, if we assume that "rumors" to be true then I think that this just makes the most sense for both teams:

MSP + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

Oilers want a top pairing dman and they get that in Coburn. Flyers "want" a top 9 forward and they get that in MSP. The Oilers NEED a good center prospect and they get that in Laughton. The Flyers NEED an offensive minded dman prospect and they get that in Klefbom. They Flyers can afford to lose Laughton and the Oilers canafford to lose Klefbom. It hurts some to lose prospects like them but both teams deal from apposition of strength and add in a place of need (both at the NHL level AND in prospect terms).

I'd LOVE to get the Oilers 7th OA but I just don't see them trading it, it's a potentially very valuable asset and the risk of that player becoming something very special AND needing ELC's to be able to afford some higher end contracts in this cap era makes it unlikely that teams just trade away top picks like this.

I'm sure that there are going to be people on both sides crying "Wolf" and saying they are giving up far more than they are getting but I think this is both fair and addresses issues for both teams. It just seems to make sense to me.
I can tell you Klefbom will not be traded. Schultz would be traded before Klef, that's how high Mac T and staff are on him. I could see your trade idea, with Marincin and another asset, maybe one or both of our 2nds being added in. MPS, Marincin + both 2nd's for Coburn + Laughton. Marincin is going to be quite a gem of a defenceman in a year or 2. I think if the Oilers didn't sign Belov in the offseason he would be starting with the big club next year.

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Dreger on NHL Network. Said Holmgren has 2 possible deals he likes.
1. Coburn to Carolina for the #5

2. Coburn to Edm for #7 and 4th Rounder
If Holmgren can pull off either of those then he's done a great job. I honestly believe that the Flyers should be adding the 2nd with Coburn to get either of those picks but hey, what do I know, I'm just a poster on here like everyone else. LOL

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Dreger on NHL Network. Said Holmgren has 2 possible deals he likes.
1. Coburn to Carolina for the #5

2. Coburn to Edm for #7 and 4th Rounder

I like coburn a lot and would argue that he is worth a top 10 pick but a top 5? It must be because of his caphit.
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If Holmgren can pull off either of those then he's done a great job. I honestly believe that the Flyers should be adding the 2nd with Coburn to get either of those picks but hey, what do I know, I'm just a poster on here like everyone else. LOL
What if he pulls off both? Championship.

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But Coburn is not a top pairing dman. He's an average #4 who is a little overpaid.
Posts like this should make you banned from a thread. You clearly know nothing about Coburn.

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Dreger on NHL Network. Said Holmgren has 2 possible deals he likes.
1. Coburn to Carolina for the #5

2. Coburn to Edm for #7 and 4th Rounder

I like coburn a lot and would argue that he is worth a top 10 pick but a top 5? It must be because of his caphit.
Were these actually offered to Holmgren? Or is this just the insane voice in his head?

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Dreger on NHL Network. Said Holmgren has 2 possible deals he likes.
1. Coburn to Carolina for the #5

2. Coburn to Edm for #7 and 4th Rounder

I like coburn a lot and would argue that he is worth a top 10 pick but a top 5? It must be because of his caphit.
The CHI/BOS game is on. When did you see this?

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Dreger on NHL Network. Said Holmgren has 2 possible deals he likes.
1. Coburn to Carolina for the #5

2. Coburn to Edm for #7 and 4th Rounder

I like coburn a lot and would argue that he is worth a top 10 pick but a top 5? It must be because of his caphit.
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I can tell you Klefbom will not be traded. Schultz would be traded before Klef, that's how high Mac T and staff are on him. I could see your trade idea, with Marincin and another asset, maybe one or both of our 2nds being added in. MPS, Marincin + both 2nd's for Coburn + Laughton. Marincin is going to be quite a gem of a defenceman in a year or 2. I think if the Oilers didn't sign Belov in the offseason he would be starting with the big club next year.
Well, if Edm is downgrading from Klefbon to Marincin then the Flyers would probably be downgrading from Laughton to Cousins. Not that a deal like that wouldn't work, but I doubt the Flyers give up both the better player and the better prospect.

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