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06-29-2013, 10:35 PM
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Giroux once told me that Artturi Lehkonen is the purest shooter he has ever been able to play with.
the best part of whenever bill clement says that in NHL 13, it's always after simon gagne shoots and misses wide.

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Yeah Chris. I would love Rychel. I just fear he won't be there-- thus: I'm thinking Bigras.

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Yeah Chris. I would love Rychel. I just fear he won't be there-- thus: I'm thinking Bigras.
I'm concerned we go Morin in the 1st and reach for a PMD like Subban in the 2nd.

That said, Rychel is my personal favorite forward in the draft.

If we had a pick in the 20's, he'd be my darkhorse for the Flyers' next Laughton as a, "Hey we didn't draft a defenseman...again...but here is a prospect who looks good now and is going to be a freaking phenom in 5 years."

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06-29-2013, 10:41 PM
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If I had to pick one? Madison Bowey. I could see him going right before #41, but Kelowna does a remarkable job developing NHL caliber defenseman. Whether it's their development program or just eye for talent, you cannot deny their success over the last decade.
Interesting you bring this up. As far as defense development go the U. of Wisconsin has been one of the best at developing NHL caliber blueliners. I like the idea of drafting a raw guy in the second or third round that's going to a place like Kelowna or Wisconsin and letting them develop into their potential.

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06-29-2013, 10:42 PM
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I'm not basing Pulock's fall on numbers. He obviously didn't play on as strong a team as he played on last year. Hell I'm advocating taking a guy that had 16 points this year. I've just never got the hype. He has a big shot. Everything else is average at best. I don't see top pairing potential. He's maxed out physically, there is little projection.

Morin could very well fall flat on his face and never make it beyond a #6 or #7 defenseman. That's the risk you take, but I'd rather that happen, knowing he could be a top pairing defenseman, than take a guy at #11 overall, in one of the deepest drafts in history, that has mid-pairing upside.

And whether Nolet is apart of the organization or not, they still keep good tabs on the league.
I don't understand how you can say Morin has top pairing potential over Pulock when Pulock has a heck of a lot more skill.

Nolet is still a part of the organization. He just isn't the main QMJHL scout any longer.

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Everything else is average at best.
He's got some of the best leadership tools (next to Santini) of the defensemen, he makes a good first pass and he plays positionally very well. His hiting is above average as well, so there's more than just one tool and I've not seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Morin would be the worst possible solution at 11. I'd rather walk away with a player than a lottery ticket. Our farm system is barren. We need production over a shot in the dark.

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06-29-2013, 10:44 PM
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Guys I am hoping the Flyers consider in the 2nd (some of these guys may go late first).

Madison Bowey: Good skater, 6'1 194, a bit raw, good passer, decent-to-okay shot. Solid project.
Nic Petan: Martin St. Louis clone
Bigras: Jack of all trades. Has some PP ability, 2 way player, racks up +s.
Ryan Hartman: PPG player, not huge at 5'11 190, Shoots R, L Winger (Flyers need depth there)
Kerby Rychel: leader, 2way, aggressive, screams FLYER, can score, good skater, and very versatile
Jimmy Lodge: can score - great wrist shot - above avg skater (Carteresque?)
Vincent Dunn: Flyers fans would love him. Guy is a huge troll AND basically PPG player, hyper aggressive - lacks size
Steve Santini: two way D man
Heatherington: D-Dman -- Solid, Big, Sound player, if the u18's indicate anything, he'll be good
Keaton Thompson: not physical, but mobile and can defend, can move puck but not offensive -- pretty good in transition. Could be a solid backend (at minimum) defenseman that fits Lavi's system.
I'll do the Coburn fist pump if Petan is there.

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06-29-2013, 10:51 PM
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I'm concerned we go Morin in the 1st and reach for a PMD like Subban in the 2nd.

That said, Rychel is my personal favorite forward in the draft.

If we had a pick in the 20's, he'd be my darkhorse for the Flyers' next Laughton as a, "Hey we didn't draft a defenseman...again...but here is a prospect who looks good now and is going to be a freaking phenom in 5 years."
Yeah, I like everything about him -- I have him in the 20s as well. If the Flyers picked in the 20s, he would be who I would want them to select if they weren't excessively sold on the defensemen remaining. Or Petan, under the same premise of not liking defensemen in this hypothetical, because G and Petan feeding the team's power forwards like they do would be just an absurd level of offensive power on SL1 and SL2.

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06-29-2013, 11:17 PM
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I don't understand how you can say Morin has top pairing potential over Pulock when Pulock has a heck of a lot more skill.
For Pulock to be a top pairing guys he needs to be an elite offensive defenseman. I think we can agree he will never be a shutdown guy. He has a big shot (and a big windup), but I don't really consider him as a guy with a lot of skill. If Morin never develops his offensive game from this day forward (which I'm confident he will) he has the ability to be a shutdown defenseman. He's got the elite size and reach, and the movement skills to do so. I said before his profile is similar to Tyler Myers up to this point in their careers. Chara is the dream scenario.

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He's got some of the best leadership tools (next to Santini) of the defensemen, he makes a good first pass and he plays positionally very well. His hiting is above average as well, so there's more than just one tool and I've not seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Morin would be the worst possible solution at 11. I'd rather walk away with a player than a lottery ticket. Our farm system is barren. We need production over a shot in the dark.
We need upside. Mid pairing/PP specialists are easier to find than top pairing guys. You've got to be willing to take the risk. You don't get upside without taking a risk.

I know it sounds like I'm advocating taking Morin, but my only point is in a draft like this you have to go for the upside. You don't want to look back at this draft and say 'X' is a nice player, but look at the other guys we could have had. I like Nurse, I'm neutral on Zadorov, I'm down on Ristolainen, I'm down on Pulock, I like Morrissey but I think he's a tiny reach at 11.

It will be interesting to see how things play out. I'm not going to speculate on who goes where. I'm just going to try an enjoy the draft as much as possible. The Flyer's success in the first round is as good as any so I will trust their judgement. I think they have a guy they are targeting and they usually get their guy. I would prefer a defenseman, but after Jones they all have their pros and cons. I we end up with Nichushkin I won't be mad at all. He can be as good offensively as anyone in this draft.

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06-30-2013, 12:28 AM
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I said before his profile is similar to Tyler Myers up to this point in their careers. Chara is the dream scenario.
Morin gets the Myers comparison because Myers actually produced offensively after putting up squat (like Morin) in Juniors. Unfortunately, for every Myers there are 10 guys that end up being 2nd or 3rd pairing defensemen.

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I like Nurse, I'm neutral on Zadorov, I'm down on Ristolainen, I'm down on Pulock, I like Morrissey but I think he's a tiny reach at 11
I would take each and every one of those guys ahead of Morin. I won't be crying myself to sleep if it ends up being Morin, but I would feel like it was a huge reach at 11 and we missed on better players. I understand the want for a top pairing guy, but (using loose numbers) taking a guy who is 10% to be top pairing, 25% to be top 4, 40% to make the pros and 25% or so to be a wiff probably is worse for this franchise than a guy who slots at a much higher liklihood (imo) to be at least a top 4 guy. I see a lot of Suter in Puluck and think he could be a very effective two-way D-man in the next 2-3 years.

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I we end up with Nichushkin I won't be mad at all. He can be as good offensively as anyone in this draft.
Agree here. Love Nichushkin and would take him 4th overall given the opportunity. So much to like about his game. If we move up into the top 5-7, that's who I hope it's to take.

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06-30-2013, 02:18 AM
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Im kind of high to get one pick more and try to get Nichuskin and Zadorov.

If there is anyone we would want at 11th pick, just move down to get many picks as possible.

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For Pulock to be a top pairing guys he needs to be an elite offensive defenseman. I think we can agree he will never be a shutdown guy. He has a big shot (and a big windup), but I don't really consider him as a guy with a lot of skill. If Morin never develops his offensive game from this day forward (which I'm confident he will) he has the ability to be a shutdown defenseman. He's got the elite size and reach, and the movement skills to do so. I said before his profile is similar to Tyler Myers up to this point in their careers. Chara is the dream scenario.

We need upside. Mid pairing/PP specialists are easier to find than top pairing guys. You've got to be willing to take the risk. You don't get upside without taking a risk.

I know it sounds like I'm advocating taking Morin, but my only point is in a draft like this you have to go for the upside. You don't want to look back at this draft and say 'X' is a nice player, but look at the other guys we could have had. I like Nurse, I'm neutral on Zadorov, I'm down on Ristolainen, I'm down on Pulock, I like Morrissey but I think he's a tiny reach at 11.

It will be interesting to see how things play out. I'm not going to speculate on who goes where. I'm just going to try an enjoy the draft as much as possible. The Flyer's success in the first round is as good as any so I will trust their judgement. I think they have a guy they are targeting and they usually get their guy. I would prefer a defenseman, but after Jones they all have their pros and cons. I we end up with Nichushkin I won't be mad at all. He can be as good offensively as anyone in this draft.


I would prefer a more calculated gamble at #11.
IMO, At worst Pulock would become Yandle.
If that is the case, we will not need to trade Couts or Schenn for Yandle.
IMO, Morin at worst will become Laurisen, not interested at #11.
I would rather have Yandle than Lauridsen.
I see Ristolainen as a good 2-way player like Timmo.
I see Morrissey as a good offensive defenseman like Letang.

I would rather have Ristolainen, Morrissey or Pulock way before
a project like Zadorov, Morin or Nurse.
Defensive defenseman you can pickup as FA, offensive defensemen
are overpriced in trade.

If you want to draft for upside, do it in the 2nd round and hope for Weber.


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How the hell is Pulock's floor Yandle?

What's his cieling? Bobby Orr? you're being a bit too unrealistic here.

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Pulock will be a 2nd round pick. I don't see him going in the first round. Taking him in the top 15 would be a huge reach. He's most likely to bust out of the all the defenseman.

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IMO, At worst Pulock would become Yandle.
Lmao, Pulock's ceiling isn't as high as Yandle's level is right now.

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So pumped for tonight (or afternoon in your case mostly) - so many intriguing names.

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How the hell is Pulock's floor Yandle?

What's his cieling? Bobby Orr? you're being a bit too unrealistic here.
Ha. I stopped reading after that line. Yandle would skate circles around Pulock.

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How the hell is Pulock's floor Yandle?

What's his cieling? Bobby Orr? you're being a bit too unrealistic here.
Yandle is not a #1 defenseman.
He is a good PMD, I would expect atleast that
from a pick Button was comparing to Al MacIness.


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Ha. I stopped reading after that line. Yandle would skate circles around Pulock.
Did I say he skates like Yandle, No.
He has offensive skills and can run a PP.
I just said I thought he could be a PMD like Yandle.
That is all.
LOL. You would think I said his floor was Suter.

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This is so boring. I woke up yesterday and thought this was going to be the craziest draft weekend ever... I have a feeling it's going to be the most disappointing now.

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This is so boring. I woke up yesterday and thought this was going to be the craziest draft weekend ever... I have a feeling it's going to be the most disappointing now.
For us Flyers fans this is a good thing.

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Lmao, Pulock's ceiling isn't as high as Yandle's level is right now.
LOL. Yeah right. Whatever.
Keep drafting project defenseman and centers
like the Flyers always do.
No wonder we have endured Decades of Futility.

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Pulock will be a 2nd round pick. I don't see him going in the first round. Taking him in the top 15 would be a huge reach. He's most likely to bust out of the all the defenseman.
Pulock was rated 12 best on the NHL prospect rankings for North American Skaters.
I do not see it as a reach to draft him.

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For us Flyers fans this is a good thing.
Yeah I don't necessarily mean for us, I just thought it would be exciting in general.

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