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06-26-2013, 11:47 AM
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True, but this HAS to be the year he gets top 6 minutes. I just don't see that line scoring very much to be honest. We need Couturier to start becoming Toews, not Dave Bolland.

He needs to produce offensively! More minutes, better linemates, not a rookie and a semi washed up-injury prone winger. This guy was projected to go #1 overall before mono, and yes, a big part was his hockey IQ and amazing defensive instics, but the other big part was the 90+ pointss he put up in Drummondville.
This is why I'm saying that it's time to move Schenn to wing and let Laughton play the 3rd pairing.

Schenn can be that Shane Doan kind of guy given the chance. Settle him next to Giroux and Voracek. I promise we won't regret it.

Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Couturier - Simmonds
Raffl - Laughton - Clarkson/Gagne/Read/Stalberg/Horton/Cleary/Bickell
Rinaldo - Hall - Talbot

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This is why I'm saying that it's time to move Schenn to wing and let Laughton play the 3rd pairing.

Schenn can be that Shane Doan kind of guy given the chance. Settle him next to Giroux and Voracek. I promise we won't regret it.

Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Couturier - Simmonds
Raffl - Laughton - Clarkson/Gagne/Read/Stalberg/Horton/Cleary/Bickell
Rinaldo - Hall - Talbot
Agreed 100%. Should be an interesting summer.

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06-26-2013, 01:49 PM
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Looking at all those line combos here and all the young guys getting a little more important roles, I'm excited about the next season

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True, but this HAS to be the year he gets top 6 minutes. I just don't see that line scoring very much to be honest. We need Couturier to start becoming Toews, not Dave Bolland.

He needs to produce offensively! More minutes, better linemates, not a rookie and a semi washed up-injury prone winger. This guy was projected to go #1 overall before mono, and yes, a big part was his hockey IQ and amazing defensive instics, but the other big part was the 90+ pointss he put up in Drummondville.
People expecting Couturier to be Jonathan Toews are going to be disappointed IMO. Couturier didn't just drop because of mono, he dropped because of things like his offensive upside as well.


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06-26-2013, 03:09 PM
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People expecting Couturier to be Jonathan Toews are going to be disappointed IMO. Couturier didn't just drop because of mono, he dropped because of things like his offensive upside as well.
HUH ??, he has some of the best on ice vision and passing skills on the team, give him some decent wingers AND some ****ing playing time

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06-26-2013, 03:15 PM
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People expecting Couturier to be Jonathan Toews are going to be disappointed IMO. Couturier didn't just drop because of mono, he dropped because of things like his offensive upside as well.
That's funny, because the stats could argue that he was the best offensive player from his draft class. The point is let's let these guys at least develop for 3-4 years before we start trying to pigeon hole what they're going to be in their primes. You're right, Couturier could top out as a third line center, but he could also develop into a number one centerman capable of 70+ points a year.

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Couturier's gotten frustrated offensively, but he's still got great eyes for passing.

If he's given better minutes and maybe allowed to start anywhere other than the defensive zone...pair him with one of our hungrier guys. Read or Simmonds could probably get him going. He doesn't have a bad shot either--if he's pushed offensively, I think we'll see some production.

Move Schenn to wing for Giroux, and put Couturier on the second line. Working with Read, Hartnell, Simmonds, and maybe some Voracek, and give him the time an opportunity to grow. Hopefully Laughton'll let us stop leaning on Couturier's defense so much.

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This is why I'm saying that it's time to move Schenn to wing and let Laughton play the 3rd pairing.

Schenn can be that Shane Doan kind of guy given the chance. Settle him next to Giroux and Voracek. I promise we won't regret it.

Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Couturier - Simmonds
Raffl - Laughton - Clarkson/Gagne/Read/Stalberg/Horton/Cleary/Bickell
Rinaldo - Hall - Talbot
I like these lines a lot.

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06-26-2013, 04:00 PM
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Ryan-giroux-voracek
Hartnell-schenn-simmonds
Gagne-couturier-read
Could you imagine playing against that line?

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06-26-2013, 04:18 PM
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Could you imagine playing against that line?
The Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds combo was used in a few games this year... they looked pretty awesome together tbh... hell to play against in the offensive zone and along the boards, it looked like the D had no space at all at times and made bad decisions as they were terrified they were going to be hit.

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Can i make a fan made lineup?

Ok im doing it:

Straka-Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Brunner-Couturier-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

Yeaaaaaaa

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Could you imagine playing against that line?
Well Hartnell did play with Schenn and Simmonds near the end of the year, IIRC, when Lavy moved Gagne up with Giroux and Voracek. They were good.

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Could you imagine playing against that line?
Or the one above it. Both of those lines could do some damage

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For me:

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Schenn-Couturier-Simmonds
Gagne/Clarkson/MacArthur/Raymond/Brunner-Laughton-Read
Talbot-Hall-Rinaldo

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Can i make a fan made lineup?

Ok im doing it:

Straka-Giroux-Voracek
Hartnell-Schenn-Simmonds
Brunner-Couturier-Read
Talbot-Laughton-Rinaldo

Yeaaaaaaa
I see a lot of people doing stuff like this. Not saying this is bad, in fact it looks pretty good to me (Idk about straka though ). I think something we all have to consider is Hartnell was pretty bad last season offensively. While I fully expect he will bounce back, I would be extremely hesitant to take Hartnell away from Giroux. Hartnell at his cap hit needs to produce. I am not so sure putting him with someone else other than Giroux would be the best idea. If you can get good production from Hartnell and Simmonds with Schenn, then I would do these lines in a heartbeat.

I also said this in some other threads but Voracek played extremely well last season. I fully believe he can produce as the main guy on a line. Also I am not sure I would stick Laughton on the 3rd line. I know you didnt, but many are.

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I see a lot of people doing stuff like this. Not saying this is bad, in fact it looks pretty good to me (Idk about straka though ). I think something we all have to consider is Hartnell was pretty bad last season offensively. While I fully expect he will bounce back, I would be extremely hesitant to take Hartnell away from Giroux. Hartnell at his cap hit needs to produce. I am not so sure putting him with someone else other than Giroux would be the best idea. If you can get good production from Hartnell and Simmonds with Schenn, then I would do these lines in a heartbeat.

I also said this in some other threads but Voracek played extremely well last season. I fully believe he can produce as the main guy on a line. Also I am not sure I would stick Laughton on the 3rd line. I know you didnt, but many are.
If he can play the third line he should. There may be some growing pains but if he is ready I don't want to see him be wasted on the 4th line like Couturier has been

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This is why I'm saying that it's time to move Schenn to wing and let Laughton play the 3rd pairing.

Schenn can be that Shane Doan kind of guy given the chance. Settle him next to Giroux and Voracek. I promise we won't regret it.

Schenn - Giroux - Voracek
Hartnell - Couturier - Simmonds
Raffl - Laughton - Clarkson/Gagne/Read/Stalberg/Horton/Cleary/Bickell
Rinaldo - Hall - Talbot
I really hope Homer and Lavi read the boards. I'd love to see that happen.

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Is there any rush to convert Brayden Schenn to wing? I'd rather give him another year to prove himself and be evaluated at 2C.

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Is there any rush to convert Brayden Schenn to wing? I'd rather give him another year to prove himself and be evaluated at 2C.
I think there's more of a rush to put Couturier on a scoring line. That's the whole point of moving Schenn to the outside.

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I think there's more of a rush to put Couturier on a scoring line. That's the whole point of moving Schenn to the outside.
But you could be compromising Schenn's development to serve Couturier's offensive opportunities. That doesn't seem like getting ahead.

As long as Couturier has some quality two-way wingers to play with, why does he need to be on a designated "scoring" line this year? You want still want to maximize Couturier's defensive ability by giving him a healthy amount of defensive zone draws, right? How much defensive responsibility is going to be handed over to a built-from-scratch 3rd line that we can only assume will have lesser defensive utility than a Couturier line could provide?

I think it's possible (and preferable) to serve the interests of both prospects as centers next season if you're still committed to developing both of them. Couturier put up 27 points as a teenaged rookie playing with mostly drek on the 4th line. I think he can thrive in a two-way role on the 3rd line with quality wingers. Why not give that a chance? I thought that was what so much of Couturier's rookie appeal was about -- squeezing offense out of crap. Keep Couturier in a defensive-oriented role, but don't make him work with such crap, and you could find consistent offense too.

I feel like Schenn, Couturier and Laughton are ALL being rushed in your scenario. I see no problem with Schenn at 2C, Couturier at 3C and Laughton probably in the AHL this year.

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I want Stalberg, but I doubt we will get him. I have a feeling a cap floor team will over him ~4M. He just won a cup, so... PAYDAY.

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I want Stalberg, but I doubt we will get him. I have a feeling a cap floor team will over him ~4M. He just won a cup, so... PAYDAY.
I am interested in him as well but wasn't he a healthy scratch for 1-2 games in the finals??

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My top 9 would be

Hartnell Giroux Voracek
Schenn Cooter Jagr/Lecavalier
Simmonds Akeson Read


also very open to getting Jagr & Lecavalier

Make a line of
Jagr Cooter Lecavalier

The puck possession would be exhausting for other teams...

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Something has to give with Schenn and Couturier.

They both need Top 6 minutes, so one of them really needs to move to a wing for the sake of them each reaching their offensive potential. Unless someone makes the switch, this will be a problem going forwards until one of Giroux, Schenn, or Couturier leave.

I really don't want Couturier to be pigeon holed in that 3C spot. Couturier can be so much more than a checking line center and great PK'er if given the minutes and the right line mates.


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Something has to give with Schenn and Couturier.

They both need Top 6 minutes, so one of them really needs to move to a wing for the sake of them each reaching their offensive potential. This also has nothing to do with being rushed because this will be a problem going forwards until one of Giroux, Schenn, or Couturier leave.

Couturier can be so much more than a checking line center and great PK'er if given the minutes and the right line mates.
A Gagne-Couturier-Read line makes so much sense. The line can frustrate any line in the NHL on one side of the ice and score on the other.

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