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Pittsburgh signs Kris Letang to extension (8 years, $7.25M per)

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06-30-2013, 02:24 PM
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He is a Flyer fan what else would you expect. They need to root for something because they haven't had to cheer about a Stanley Cup in almost 4 DECADES!
That's why I cheer for Ed Snider remaining alive and him & Comcast keeping Holmgren in charge, it's the NHL's version of "As the Puck Turns"!!!!!

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Beyond that hat trick against Ottawa in the playoffs, Neal's success has been in the Regular Season that's why I believe the right deal comes along winger for winger, it just wouldn't surprise me that Shero moves Neal.
Neal was coming off of a concussion and Malkin's shoulder was messed up, that duo wasn't on the same page and Bylsma made that worse by adding Iginla to that line on his off wing which had Neal switching sides with Iggy when they had the puck and were trying to make things happen.

That was a mess. It would not prompt Shero to move him, because he knows that. Neal is going nowhere.

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06-30-2013, 02:26 PM
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That's why I cheer for Ed Snider remaining alive and him & Comcast keeping Holmgren in charge, it's the NHL's version of "As the Puck Turns"!!!!!
You just said Letang was injury-prone, but you're upset that someone else thinks him, Malkin or Crosby will end up on LTIR. That's logical.

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06-30-2013, 02:28 PM
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Neal was coming off of a concussion and Malkin's shoulder was messed up, that duo wasn't on the same page and Bylsma made that worse by adding Iginla to that line on his off wing which had Neal switching sides with Iggy when they had the puck and were trying to make things happen.

That was a mess. It would not prompt Shero to move him, because he knows that. Neal is going nowhere.
Neal's contract is cap-friendly and he's still young but you always get the feeling that Neal is just too dependent on Malkin to put up the numbers and Shero would move him for someone who is less dependent and anyway I've only mentioned his name because it keeps coming up in odd rumors.

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You just said Letang was injury-prone, but you're upset that someone else thinks him, Malkin or Crosby will end up on LTIR. That's logical.
Injury-prone could be a broken finger or a slightly separated shoulder not a career threatening LITR????

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06-30-2013, 02:33 PM
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If it was cap circumvention the NHL would have changed it in the new CBA, but they left LTIR exactly the same as it was.
Yes, this CBA is perfection. Anything not adressed in it is not cap-circumvention.

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Am I missing something? This seems like a pretty strong overpayment.

I don't think Letang has earned nearly a $4 million dollar raise. Good offensive defenseman, but at best slightly above average overall. He's got an awful lot to live up to for this to be a good contract.

Personally, I don't even think he's tall enough for this contract. Small, offensive, and slightly one-dimensional defenseman should not make this much money.

Should be an interesting FA market with this inflation.

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06-30-2013, 03:13 PM
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Am I missing something? This seems like a pretty strong overpayment.

I don't think Letang has earned nearly a $4 million dollar raise. Good offensive defenseman, but at best slightly above average overall. He's got an awful lot to live up to for this to be a good contract.

Personally, I don't even think he's tall enough for this contract. Small, offensive, and slightly one-dimensional defenseman should not make this much money.

Should be an interesting FA market with this inflation.
An accurate evaluation of Letang's strengths, for one.

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06-30-2013, 03:24 PM
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Happy for the Pens. Didn't want to see Letang traded out west.

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An accurate evaluation of Letang's strengths, for one.
Thanks for going into so much detail.

This contract is what a complete, franchise defenseman should make.

Letang has a lot of progress to make before he's either of those.

This is Nick Lidstrom money, but Pittsburgh only has a Kris Letang.

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Thanks for going into so much detail.

This contract is what a complete, franchise defenseman should make.

Letang has a lot of progress to make before he's either of those.
The kind of Dmen you are alluding too is super-rare, like I can't think of a single complete one right now in the NHL. Letang is our franchise Dman. If there were somehow 30 complete guys out there, ok, but as it is Letang is our guy and there are like 5 or so better than him.

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Thanks for going into so much detail.

This contract is what a complete, franchise defenseman should make.

Letang has a lot of progress to make before he's either of those.

This is Nick Lidstrom money, but Pittsburgh only has a Kris Letang.
Maybe 7 years ago this was true. The two "complete, franchise defensemen" to recently sign contracts heading into free agency both make north of $12 million.

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06-30-2013, 03:35 PM
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Is this really official? Can't find anything besides the twitter link in the OP.

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As a Blues fan I can only swear vociferously at hearing about this contract...


Damnit Letang, why could you not have been just as happy at 6 million AAV?

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Is this really official? Can't find anything besides the twitter link in the OP.
it's not

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06-30-2013, 03:41 PM
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Who is wishing an injury? The facts are that the three highest paid, longest tenured players in Pittsburgh all have a history of concussions.

But mocking a team for putting a guy on LTIR after he suffered a freak eye injury is disgusting, although not as bad as if you mocked Boston for having Savard on LTIR considering he's only there because the dirtiest player in the league was given carte blanche by Penguins management to injure opponents.
Just when I thought you couldn't be more ignorant...

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Who is wishing an injury? The facts are that the three highest paid, longest tenured players in Pittsburgh all have a history of concussions.

Clearly an act of god

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The kind of Dmen you are alluding too is super-rare, like I can't think of a single complete one right now in the NHL. Letang is our franchise Dman. If there were somehow 30 complete guys out there, ok, but as it is Letang is our guy and there are like 5 or so better than him.
Shea Weber?

Ryan Suter?

Zdeno Chara?

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06-30-2013, 04:02 PM
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Shea Weber?
$14 million next year.


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Ryan Suter?
$12 million next year.


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Zdeno Chara?
$8 million next year.



Letang's set to make $7.25 despite signing after all of them. This isn't an example of a guy with holes in his game making as much money as guys with less holes in their games. He's making substantially less than all but Chara.

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I wouldn't expect a Flyers fan in here having that reasoning. They see Letang signed and just "LOL LOL LOL OVERPAID CAP SPACE HAHA"
Flyers fans are the last people on earth who should be accusing another GM of overpayment.

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Shea Weber?

Ryan Suter?

Zdeno Chara?
For 2014/15:

Shea Weber: $14 million / $8.2 cap

Ryan Suter: $12 million / $7 cap

Zdeno Chara: $ 7 million / $7 cap

Weber is pretty clearly the #1 guy in the NHL right now, he's a lot more expensive than Letang. Suter is not nearly the offensive player, and is making $5 mil more. Chara will be 38 by that time, and is not the player he used to be, and will be making $7 mil.

So what about those numbers makes you think Letang at 26 is not worth $7.25?

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Nice keep tieing your cap into 5 players pitt

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Shea Weber?

Ryan Suter?

Zdeno Chara?
We apparently disagree on the definition of COMPLETE here. I agree that they are better than Letang (on the fence about Suter), but they also signed under a different CBA.

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Thanks for going into so much detail.

This contract is what a complete, franchise defenseman should make.

Letang has a lot of progress to make before he's either of those.

This is Nick Lidstrom money, but Pittsburgh only has a Kris Letang.
Letang's not a "good" offensive defenseman, he's an outstanding offensive defenseman. Second best in the league after Karlsson in that regard.

He's also above average defensively. You wouldn't know it reading some of the cretinous post Boston series evaluations, but he is. He's strong, fast, physical, nasty, great at closing down players one-on-one off the rush. Where he can struggle is with the odd poor decision in danger areas, which is hardly uncommon for a dynamic 26 year old playing 25+ minutes a night, especially one playing with 3rd pairing calibre players who can't insulate an occasional gaffe.

Your standard for a defenseman making ~7 mil per is unreasonable given the UFA climate too. Karlsson and Doughty, who have both struggled with consistency, got 6.5 and 7 mil as RFAs. Weber and Suter have close to 8 mil cap hits, but those are artificially lowered due to the cheap years tacked on at the end. These guys are making 10+ mil over the first 8 years of their deals. Geezers who are worse offensively and defensively than Letang like Gonchar and Streit are getting 5+ mil on 35+ contracts.

So there's the detailed report on why your assessment of Letang's deal is off-base. In other words, your Lidstrom comparison is hopelessly out of date. You might as well be talking about how much Ray Bourque made for all the relevance it has.

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This is from ROSSI so TIFWIW...

"#TribHKY #pens don't want to get burned announcing a deal and then have something weird happen. Letang can't sign until Friday, per CBA"

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