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Round 1, Pick #11: Samuel Morin, Defense, Rimouski (QMJHL)

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Chris Pronger can't pass his skill and abilities to Morin through osmosis.
Are you 100% on this?

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who do we want at 41

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They can help a player examine holes in their game, show them the right decisions, recognize the right plays, at which point it is the player himself that must familiarize himself with what was told.
"Those who can - do. Those who can't - teach." Just because Pronger was a great defender doesn't mean he is going to make a great teacher. It is sometimes hard for someone who is so natural at the game to be able to teach others.

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There's a difference between mentorig and teaching. You can't teach someone how to have skill(espicially at 17 or 18 years old) but you can mentor them how to be a pro.
What? Yes you can. I do two things professionally -- you get the skill through practice and revision. The majority of the skills I have were learned through either practice or mentoring. Ask a surgeon about this.

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What? Yes you can. I do two things professionally -- you get the skill through practice and revision. The majority of the skills I have were learned through either practice or mentoring. Ask a surgeon about this.
You mean to tell me people arent born with the skills to be a surgeon? Hockey is so much harder anyway, your analogy doesn't work

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"Those who can - do. Those who can't - teach." Just because Pronger was a great defender doesn't mean he is going to make a great teacher. It is sometimes hard for someone who is so natural at the game to be able to teach others.
The "wisdom" that you're quoting doesn't even apply to your point: That Pronger isn't necessarily a great teacher. Sure, who knows? But players do teacher others. Maybe he can teach and do.

... and that quote is usually signed off on as a wisdom by people who are uhh.. I'll leave that alone. I have a ton of adult friends who are both teachers and doers. For instance, doctors do a lot of scientific research, teach courses as well, and see patients (especially at a place like UPENN, etc).

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"Those who can - do. Those who can't - teach." Just because Pronger was a great defender doesn't mean he is going to make a great teacher. It is sometimes hard for someone who is so natural at the game to be able to teach others.
Pronger has been working with Luke Schenn since he came over from Toronto. I think most of us have been happy with the way he has been playing. Could that be because of Pronger? Maybe. We'll never know.

But if Pronger was working with Schenn, I'm pretty sure he'll be working with a lot of our D prospects.

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What? Yes you can. I do two things professionally -- you get the skill through practice and revision. The majority of the skills I have were learned through either practice or mentoring. Ask a surgeon about this.
I started playing hockey at 5 and stopped when I was 21, Wayne Gretzky himself couldn't teach me how to make it in the NHL. I played year round as well with going to more camps that I could have though was possible. Still, didn't make it to the NHL or even close because I didn't have the skill. I played every sport too growing up and wrestling was my best. I practiced my butt off just like I did hockey. I loved hockey way more than wrestling but had much more skill wrestling.

If all it took was a Chris Pronger or Wayne Gretzky to teach these draft picks skills, why aren't they all in the NHL? I'm sure that every owner in the world would pay top coin for that

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Who ever said it was only "all it took" was being taught right? No one.

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Who ever said it was only "all it took" was being taught right? No one.
That's pretty much what you alluded to by saying "yes you can teach a skill" and to "ask a surgeon". If it was sarcasm, it's hard to read it through text


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I'm done with the other stuff and hope Sam Morin develops into a great player like the flyers think he will. He seems like a great kid and that's always a plus in my book

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Would've preferred Pulock or Mantha

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Morin was ranked like the 5th or sixth defensemen. I don't get the outrage

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I like that his stock/ranking was rising and he's one of the youngest players in the draft.

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I wanted Ristolainen or Morrissey, but in no way am I disappointed with this pick. Welcome Morin!

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Morin was ranked like the 5th or sixth defensemen. I don't get the outrage
He was ranked 15th overall by TSN. When going by their rankings there's been far more reaches today than Morin at #11.

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I see he had 7 points in 6 games during the playoffs this year. That is an encouraging state!

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He was ranked 15th overall by TSN. When going by their rankings there's been far more reaches today than Morin at #11.
That's Calgary for you. Every year they surprise the analysts

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Which of the first round picks would you define as "less safe" at this stage of the draft? Safe is a relative term based upon the players around him.

When you take a 17 year old defenseman 11th overall, it's inherently risky, particularly when that player hasn't been highly rated until the last 2 months.

Trust me when I say I would love to eat crow and have Morin turn into a stud. It's entirely possible he will. However, given how far out in his development this player is, it is absolutely a highly risky selection.
Safe as in, I deem it very unlikely he doesn't develop at the very least as a reliable 3rd pair guy. I expect him to be a second pair go-to guy. Also safe as in, not especially farther from the NHL than other D-men not named Jones. Safe as in, style translates fine to the NHL. Safe as in, got the genes to work with, so that he doesn't have to start with a hill to climb.

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I see he had 7 points in 6 games during the playoffs this year. That is an encouraging state!
He's going to be the Briere of defenseman.

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I don't know why but I actually laughed out loud when I read your post. I am looking forward to seeing this kid play. but at 11 th overall in a year when that was our pick because we tanked and not because we got it in a trade ect. our fans want an all-star for their troubles and suffering this year. just my opinion, but I have a good feeling about this kid for some reason.

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A bit off topic but I hope we draft Jordan subban in hopes he can turn into a p.k subban lol

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The more I think about Morin, the more I think it was a good pick. I don't really know who else they should have taken (except Robert Hagg, of course). He seems as good as anyone else who was remaining.

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A bit off topic but I hope we draft Jordan subban in hopes he can turn into a p.k subban lol
Didn't work for Gretzky's brother.

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My rank for D:

After what was taken before 11, my choices were and not in order:

Morrissey
Morin
Zadorov

I was highest on Morrissey because of what I saw the Flyers needed and maybe the BPA at 11 but Morin at 11?? Not too shabby. Domi, good player.

Morin is not a stiff, and he is nasty, and who knows what will happen; only 4-6 of this draft are going to be super stars, and at 11 you ain't going to get the obvious. So relax, chill , and have a glass of 1982 Chateau Petrus

Wait for the superstars at 41 and 72! ;-)))

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