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Sabres acquire Jamie McBain and 2nd Rounder (JT Compher) from Canes for Andrej Sekera

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06-30-2013, 05:52 PM
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If that's true that we could have done the same thing to move up to 5 Darcy is an idiot.

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Agreed.

So glad Sekera is finally gone. Good riddance.
Read above....

Canes gm confirmed it.

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hahahaah, exactly. So he didn't want #5 - he wanted to wait to swap 2nd rounders....seriously?? People need to think before they actually type.
He didn't swap 2nds, we gained a 2nd straight up.

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That's not what Dreger said. But apparently it's what Chip Alexander said. I would still bet there was more to it.
Or Ristolainen was their guy and they saw no reason to do that trade?

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Whatever... We are totally tanking. Finally.

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It is possible that risto was their guy that they wouldve taken at 5 or 8 so maybe this is better

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It is possible that risto was their guy that they wouldve taken at 5 or 8 so maybe this is better
If that is the case, in two years we need to see where Monahan/lindholm are.

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if Sekera + 8 for McBain +5 was what Carolina offered I think it also says that Darcy is happy with some combo of Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko, Girgenson is his projected top 2 pivots. We really could have used a Lindholm.... sigh. Funny me and my buddies were talking about how drafting 2 big defenders could have been a ploy to get Miller to resign. Guess not.

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06-30-2013, 05:59 PM
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I liked Sekera but he never became the player I thought he would become. He looked good to us because he was being compared with some of the worst defence we have seen in years. Sekera could skate but he was no great shakes on the wall and had trouble clearing the front of the net. McBain is 6'2" 200 lbs. and shoots right. He is likely a throw in for evening out $ while Sabres got a centre who they hope is a Horvat/Lazar clone. I really do not know what to think--not gleeful, not horrified....

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bad deal is bad.



Darcy you are a freaking moron.

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this thread has served as a good barometer

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He didn't swap 2nds, we gained a 2nd straight up.
True enough, I apologize. So high 2nd, vs 3 up in the 1st. Guess as others have said we need to see how it works out in a few years.

Lets be honest it's a few years before we are relevant anyway lol

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If Sekera + 8th would have gotten us McBain + 5.

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We could be sitting here with Monahan????!!!!! And the Canes GM confirms this??!!

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if Sekera + 8 for McBain +5 was what Carolina offered I think it also says that Darcy is happy with some combo of Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko, Girgenson is his projected top 2 pivots.
If Darcy think we're good in our top 6, Darcy is an idiot. We might have one guy I could reasonably project onto the top line of a contender, and it's hugely speculative.

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Risto was their main then. Deal with it or change teams Trottier style.

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I don't mind this trade at all and have no idea why everyone is all up-in-arms over it.

Sekera isn't a cornerstone, he's a solid 2nd-pairing defenseman on a cup-contending team. Buffalo is not a cup-contending team and he won't be for a number of years. He was most-likely going to be gone by the time the Sabres made their run one way or another. Parting ways now or parting ways three years from now...what's the difference?

They got a once-promising young defenseman who could potentially turn things around and an extra 2nd round pick in exchange for a player who wasn't in their long-term plans. I liked Sekera as much as anyone, but we got solid value for him.

edit: And I don't hate that he wasn't traded for the 5th overall either. They paid for an extra roll of the dice in the 2nd round as opposed to moving up three spots. This isn't going to be their last top-10 pick guys, save the indignation for if we fail to address the top six over the next three years

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Risto was their main then. Deal with it or change teams Trottier style.
and we gained a 2nd rounder (not swapping 1st)

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I didn't want to move sekera for a move to #5 but if THIS was the other option I would have preferred lindholm + zadorov + McBain if sekera was getting moved no matter what.

I'm just going to pretend like we just traded for a "stafford". But that I mean someone we bought low on and hope we can get McBain back into form. In not gonna jump the gun but next year isn't looking good.

Ill miss Sekera. He could move the puck

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The way to compare this deal is by what they would've gotten in the 1st had they done it.

Compare Compher, McBain, Risto

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To Lindholm (or Monahan, if you're me), McBain

Question is whether Risto + Compher is > Lindholm/Monahan.

I think the answer is pretty CLEARLY Monahan or Lindhom would be the higher value, AINEC.

Which, to me, just shows sloppy asset management.

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The way to compare this deal is by what they would've gotten in the 1st had they done it.

Compare Compher, McBain, Risto

to

To Lindholm (or Monahan, if you're me), McBain

Question is whether Risto + Compher is > Lindholm/Monahan.

I think the answer is pretty CLEARLY Monahan or Lindhom would be the higher value, AINEC.

Which, to me, just shows sloppy asset management.
I don't mind Risto & Compher over Lind/Monahan.

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The way to compare this deal is by what they would've gotten in the 1st had they done it.

Compare Compher, McBain, Risto

to

To Lindholm (or Monahan, if you're me), McBain

Question is whether Risto + Compher is > Lindholm/Monahan.

I think the answer is pretty CLEARLY Monahan or Lindhom would be the higher value, AINEC.

Which, to me, just shows sloppy asset management.
For once I agree 100% with your logic here. Darcy was clamoring for high end talent. And comphner won't be ready for years.

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Well, I don't want to assume anything about the potential 1st rd deal with Carolina, but like most people here I REALLY wanted to acquire Monahan/Lindholm (leaning Monahan). I'll wait until something is confirmed in print or from Regier.

OTOH, I'm quite happy with the Risto/Zadorov twin tower manly lumberjack man combo. It shows a desire by the front office to get bigger and tougher, and that kind of means Sekera didn't fit. I don't know what to make of McBain, but he's a few years younger, cheaper and still an RFA after his contract expires next summer. Maybe he's the #6 or #7 man in place of Pardy/Sulzer. Adding a 2nd (Compher) might turn out to be worth it, but we just can't judge it for a few years.

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I guess they really wanted Compher

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The way to compare this deal is by what they would've gotten in the 1st had they done it.

Compare Compher, McBain, Risto

to

To Lindholm (or Monahan, if you're me), McBain

Question is whether Risto + Compher is > Lindholm/Monahan.

I think the answer is pretty CLEARLY Monahan or Lindhom would be the higher value, AINEC.

Which, to me, just shows sloppy asset management.
If in fact it was McBain and #5 for Sekera and #8, the Canes board would've had a nuclear meltdown after the way many were claiming only Myers + #8 would work, both on their boards and the main trade board. I kept debating them and it would've been almost enough sweet victory to make 2006 feel better, and I especially wanted Monahan. I won't criticize yet though because I need more confirmation (if it comes out).

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