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06-28-2013, 10:25 AM
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The Kovalchuk and Hossa deals were for 1-2 months of the player. The #2 is for 7 years of cost-controlled player.



For the #2 you'd have to include :
A 1st (the #30 is essentially = to a high 2nd, so it's a weak piece)
The organization's top prospect
A young top 6F with top 3 upside (who actually has NHL experience)
A young top 4D with top 2 upside (who actually has NHL experience, and preferably one who didn't get benched in game 7 of the Cup Finals)
In fairness to Leddy, the entire Hawks roster, as well as the entire Bruins roster, was benched for game 7 of the cup finals

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06-28-2013, 05:16 PM
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They aren't gonna get a good prospect + 1st and 2nd for Bolly so that takes the Buff comparable away

A prospect + 2nd (Ladd trade) or late 1st (Troy Brouwer trade ) is my expectation
The Hawks got robbed on the Ladd trade. A prospect that bolted for the KHL after 1 year in the AHL and a 2nd rounder for Winnipeg's current captain and a PPG guy this past season. A mid-teen pick at a minimum for Bolland.

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06-28-2013, 05:47 PM
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The Hawks got robbed on the Ladd trade. A prospect that bolted for the KHL after 1 year in the AHL and a 2nd rounder for Winnipeg's current captain and a PPG guy this past season. A mid-teen pick at a minimum for Bolland.
Ideally you'd get that return yeah, and your right about how much Ladd means to us now. But I'm assuming the reason the Hawks are shopping Bolland is to make room for Bickell? Other GMs know this and will probably low ball. It's the only reason Atlanta got Ladd as cheap as they did.

That said, send him Winnipeg's way for cheap please! We don't have much so be easy on our low initial asking price...

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We're not in a cap position where we have to take less.

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06-28-2013, 05:57 PM
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I would love if Chicago could package bolland and a pick and get burmistrov from WPG

He's a guy I've wanted for a while and think he'd trive in Chicago
You are correct good sir. I hope we keep him but if the rumours are true and it was you guys that got him? He'd ****ing explode one day with some combo of Hossa/Kane/Sharp/Saad on his wings dear god.

And ten to top it off he'd probably be just as good of a defensive player as Bolland too.

As long as we could get a pick on top of Bolland this year to TRY and fix the mistake we pretty much know we are making trading Burmi lol

Round hole, meet circular shaped object of equal size...

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He's going to fetch a decent return.

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We're not in a cap position where we have to take less.
Debatable but you know your team better than me so I shall concede. Was he that bad in the playoffs you guys want to trade him for performance reasons?

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The Hawks got robbed on the Ladd trade. A prospect that bolted for the KHL after 1 year in the AHL and a 2nd rounder for Winnipeg's current captain and a PPG guy this past season. A mid-teen pick at a minimum for Bolland.
Hawks got the value of Ladd at time

That was what he was worth

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Debatable but you know your team better than me so I shall concede. Was he that bad in the playoffs you guys want to trade him for performance reasons?
I love Bolland, a big part of the heart of this team, bad regular season, good playoffs (nothing new there). But we CAN keep him, and sadly it looks like we will trade him and I'm pissed about it, but god damn if I will be happy with a less than great return. Hell of a player, congrats to who gets him.

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06-28-2013, 08:37 PM
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The Hawks got robbed on the Ladd trade. A prospect that bolted for the KHL after 1 year in the AHL and a 2nd rounder for Winnipeg's current captain and a PPG guy this past season. A mid-teen pick at a minimum for Bolland.
Adam Clendening better turn out to be one helluva hockey player.

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06-28-2013, 08:40 PM
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Adam Clendening better turn out to be one helluva hockey player.
You act as if Bowman just decided ,, Yeah I am gonna dump you Andy (He didn't)

Hawks got market value for the player Ladd was at time (2nd + prospect). Ivan had potential but didn't work out. It happens

As for Clendening well so far he has shown to be a pretty promising prospect

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No thanks, if he was on the Canucks he'd set an all time record for minor penalties with the way he plays.

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He's coming off a poor season and only has 1 year left. I can't see him getting much of a return. Especially for picks in this draft.

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06-28-2013, 08:53 PM
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Hawks got market value for the player Ladd was at time (2nd + prospect). Ivan had potential but didn't work out. It happens
At the end of the day, we can agree to disagree.

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Adam Clendening better turn out to be one helluva hockey player.
Vish was a good prospect at the time, just didn't work out. Oh well, happens. Ladd wasn't a near-PPG Captain back then. While he was better than a 38 point player (didn't receive lots of ice time with the Hawks loaded lineup), he was still just coming off 38 points and never had reached 50 to that point in his career.

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To Chicago:
Plekanec + Diaz + 2013 2nd 55th
- Chicago gets a #2C and PP d-man

To Montreal:
Seabrook + Bolland + rights to Bickell
- Montreal gets legitimate #3C, power forward and #2D


Replace Diaz with Subban and you have a deal...

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The Hawks have to move salary if they want to resign Bickell and Leddy. They just don't have room for these guys getting raises....with the cap going down and all.

As for compensation - it's real simple. The Hawks need draft picks. The Hawks have internal replacements for whatever guys they move out and they also have plenty of NHL ready or close to NHL ready prospects. And they do not have room for more salary. They only need picks back.

My suggestion on the Hawks board was Bolland to Florida for their 2nd rounder (31st overall). That would give the Hawks back to back picks in the draft, and would help offset that they traded away their 2nd and 3rd rounders this year for Oduya.
I agree Florida is a likely destination, however, I think Bolland is worth a 3rd/4th round pick and a B level prospect (like Vincent Trocheck or Colby Robak) i.e. a 3rd and Trocheck or a 4th and Robak. I see 28th overall through 40th overall as 1st/2nd tweener picks. I don't think Bolland is worth that caliber of player.

As for Bickell and Leddy...I don't believe in overpaying them. Bickell, a .5 PPG, sub 13 minute player, isn't worth more than $2.5m per season. I am 100% fine with letting Bickell walk and giving Hayes a shot because his deal could very easily end up a bad deal like Penner's post his Cup with the Ducks or Ward after his great post-season.

As for Leddy, I think he is a PP specialist that is a 6th/7th D with a very slim shot at becoming a 4th/5th D. I think it is time to move him. I like a switcharoo with PHX...Leddy for Michael Stone as the center pieces (if Leddy can develop, it makes Yandle expendable for some scoring upfront) or to the Wings for Abdelkader (with other pieces being thrown in from both sides). Wings need an offensive defensemen and I love the intensity Abdelkader brings. An Abdelkader-Kruger-Frolik 4th line would be epic.

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Show me a Panthers fan that's a GM of a hockey franchise and I'll eat my beard.

Bolland, Leddy and a 1st is more than a fair offer for the 2nd overall.

There aren't many teams that can give up that amount of depth and quality - not to mention a pick for an unproven player such as Jones.
That isn't even close to value for a 2nd overall pick. You don't trade a potential franchise core player for an often injured 3rd line center in the final year of his current contract, a bottom pairing PP specialist defenseman, and a 1st round pick that is so low it is basically a 2nd round pick.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion but you're not a GM so your opinion is only an opinion.

BTW, Tallon would IMO do that deal in a second... He was the one who drafted Bolland in the first place, so obviously he likes Bollands game. Leddy is a top 4 defenseman and a 30th overall pick in a deep draft isn't too shabby either.....
Leddy is not a top 4 defenseman right now and I have yet to see major strides in his game to suggest he will ever be a top 4 defenseman. I think they rushed him and it will hurt his long term development. He has had the benefit of sheltered minutes and playing with a very underrated Michael Rozsival. The 30th overall pick is a 1st/2nd round tweener pick. Just because he drafted a player doesn't mean he will accept him in a deal that is robbery.

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So, Two Prospects and a 1st and 2nd.

Not happening.
Bowman must have learned how to deal from the HF boards.

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06-29-2013, 11:46 AM
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Gunnarsson, Colborne and 2013 2nd round pick. That is fair value. The Hawks add even more depth which is what a team with a solid core wants to do.

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honestly a 3rd and a B level prospect should do it.

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06-29-2013, 11:52 AM
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Gunnarsson, Colborne and 2013 2nd round pick. That is fair value. The Hawks add even more depth which is what a team with a solid core wants to do.
There is no way it will take that much. Bolland outside of the Cup finals was terrible in the playoffs.

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There is no way it will take that much. Bolland outside of the Cup finals was terrible in the playoffs.
While I agree that TOR proposal is an overpayment, and that Bolland struggled in the P/O's, that doesn't necessarily impact his value to the extent that you seem to think it would. A tough 20 games stretch when he was returning from injury doesn't "trump" a 5+ year career IMO.

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no, a 3rd and B level prospect won't do it

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Gunnarsson, Colborne and 2013 2nd round pick. That is fair value. The Hawks add even more depth which is what a team with a solid core wants to do.
I'll take Colborne and the 2013 2nd round pick.

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honestly a 3rd and a B level prospect should do it.
Stan Bowman is no Jay Feaster.

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Gaustad as a potential UFA drew in a 1st rounder. Bolland is under contract for next year. Troy Brouwer brought in a 1st last year at the draft. Do you think Bolland might not get a #1 pick seeing as he fits that general role and is still under contract?
What do you think of that 1st Bolland just garnered?

I love the "Pominville-like return" that Bolland just received.

A 2nd and a 4th. Pretty close to the value I stated, and nothing close to what far too many Hawks fans thought they would get.

It is a good deal for both teams. Chicago has Shaw to replace Bolland, with Pirri and McNeil in need of a chance to try and take that spot. It also frees up some cap space. Good move for Chicago, even if it isn't a 1st or "Pominville-like" return...

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It's fun to read replies in this thread from a few days ago. Boy were you guys wrong.

Wtf is up with the Leaf fan offering Gunnarsson, Colborne and 2013 2nd round pick for him? That's insane.

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