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[VAN/NJD] Canucks trade G Cory Schneider to Devils for 9th Overall Pick

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06-30-2013, 06:17 PM
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Gonna miss that guy. I need a new favourite Canuck now

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06-30-2013, 06:18 PM
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you still get your guy at 9th overall plus another pick.
And solve a divisional rivals goaltending issues, all for the all valuable 4th round pick!

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06-30-2013, 06:19 PM
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There would be no need to move up. You have no idea who they would have selected with that pick. Mock Drafts had them taking the goalie from Halifax so they probably would have traded back.

It's hearsay at best that the Oilers offer was real. NJ agreed to the deal yesterday. Anything about the Oilers deal is stuff leaked from the Edmonton side.
Regardless if the oilers offer was real or not, there's no way anyone can seriously defend that move by Gillis.

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06-30-2013, 06:19 PM
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Monahan went 6th. He wouldn't have been around for the 7th. No one should be sold on klefbom yet.
Not to mention some people are really under rating what a big mistake trading a stud goalie to a divisional rival could turn out to be.

Not far fetched to think that with Schneider in Edmonton we'd be fighting them for a playoff spot in a couple of years.

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As I said last night, I'm not entirely sure how someone can be stoked to be paying a declining, unhappy, 38 y/o Luongo 5.3 million but ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED of paying a 30 y/o Schneider in his prime $7 million.

Luongo's contract starts to look utterly horrible at roughly the same time Schneider would have gone onto a new deal.
Absolutely terrified ? Who said that ? WTF are you talking about ?

It's just not nearly as good as 5.3.

I will take Luongo at 5.3 and that age, then Schnieder at 7.

It's pretty ****ing valid too. I'm not ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED.

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06-30-2013, 06:20 PM
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Gonna miss that guy. I need a new favourite Canuck now
Yup. One of my favourite players on the team. It just really, really sucks right now.

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06-30-2013, 06:20 PM
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... in 2011.

The club has been doing everything possible to get rid of him for over a year. Luongo didn't want to be here anymore.

This isn't something you can just sweep under the rug. The optics are laughable, and this organization looks like a joke right now.
If you turn off the internet for a week you'll find very quickly that it really doesn't matter. Relax on the optics, relax on the jokes, enjoy the on ice game and stop pretending the rest of the crap really matters.

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It's a legit gripe. I don't care who is in net, I don't want to spend that much on that position. Why would we when we have some new guys on the pipeline?

If Brodure can play till he's 40, so can Lou.

Who cares what happens if we win a cup anyway. Schneider s 7 million 2 years from now will hurt our chances
The issue is...a $7M starter vs a $5.3M backup who cannot be moved. Even now while he's still a 'starter', he is unmoveable. Are we going to have our 'new' starter who overtakes Luongo making ~$1.7M + whatever a backup might cost, ~$1M at best?

Basically:

Schneider at $7M + $1M backup = $8M.

Starter + Luongo at $5.3M = $5.3M + the cost of a starting goaltender. $4M+? That's ~$9.3M minimum. And if Lack ends up actually becoming the quality starter they're obviously banking on him becoming...you're talking about him asking for $6M+ like GoalieBob. That's $11.3M of goaltending.

And it's why it's silly to be worried about paying your bonafide starting goaltender for the future $7M, and then turn around and act like it's okay to pay a disgruntled backup who doesn't want to be there anymore, $5.3M.

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06-30-2013, 06:21 PM
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Absolutely terrified ? Who said that ? WTF are you talking about ?

It's just not nearly as good as 5.3.

I will take Luongo at 5.3 and that age, then Schnieder at 7.

It's pretty ****ing valid too. I'm not ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED.
Luongo was outplayed by Cory last year. Cory is entering his prime. Luongo is on the decline.

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06-30-2013, 06:22 PM
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And solve a divisional rivals goaltending issues, all for the all valuable 4th round pick!
Yup, because everyone after the fourth round or later is useless.

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Regardless if the oilers offer was real or not, there's no way anyone can seriously defend that move by Gillis.
What do you mean, no way anyone can defend that move...


Do you people not comprehend; THE CANUCKS ARE WELL OVER THE CAP.

Look historically at the deals made by teams over the cap.

Vancouver paid two AHL lifers for ****ing Erhoff.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
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what rustles my jimmies most is MG didn't get the rights to Clarkson and a 2nd.

#9th overal + rights to Clarkson + 2nd rd pick would have been a great trade.

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06-30-2013, 06:23 PM
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How do you explain the Canucks signing Luongo to a 12 year contract then? If they really felt at the time Schneider was going to step in and steal the job, they would've never signed him to those terms. Schneider's play obviously though a wrench into the plans, but I don't doubt that when Luongo was signed, the plan was to develop Schneier to the point where they could recoup his value.
But thats not how its played out.

Any player you have under your team you are trying to develop, always.

Either for them to play a meaningful role on your team or for you to trade him.

What MG is attempting to do is make it sound like this was all part of "the plan", that hes in control and knows what hes doing.

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Yup, because everyone after the fourth round or later is useless.
For a team you're going to play often... I understand TO is used to being run over by it's division, but we like to not support them.

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06-30-2013, 06:24 PM
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Who cares how it looks. We moved a player from a position of depth for assets, instead of eating millions of dollars or waiving a star player. Also, for all the people who are *****ing about how old this team is, we actually got younger today and added some forward prospects with top 6 upside. Hopefully the purge continues and we move a defenceman and someone like Burrows for more youth and picks.
Our actual NHL team, you know, the one that's won 5 straight division titles, got older and worse today.

But yeah, who cares about winning. It's way better to be Edmonton. Let's cull everyone so we can finish 7th-10th in the conference next year but move up from 25th to 15th in the HF prospect rankings. That'll be awesome!

I've waited my entire life to have a legitimate Cup contending team that's winning President's Trophies, icing Art Ross, Hart, and Selke winners, and might win a Cup. Every move that's being made should be done with only one thing in mind - winning a Cup before 2015.

I don't care if we lose 70 games in 2019. I want every effort to be made to win with this team now.

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Gillis really needs this draft to turn out like the Flyers 2003 draft. Hopefully we're comparing Horvat and Shinkaruk with Richards and Carter a few years from now.

What a deal by Lamouriello though. Gets his guy in the end.

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What do you mean, no way anyone can defend that move...


Do you people not comprehend; THE CANUCKS ARE WELL OVER THE CAP.

Look historically at the deals made by teams over the cap.

Vancouver paid two AHL lifers for ****ing Erhoff.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
So you move the better goalie, with a MUCH lower cap hit to free up cap space?

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The quote is fine. However, he is missing information from that quote.
While true, he's more or less saying that our plan from 3 years ago, is what played out today. Sure, it would've been much nicer to keep the younger goaltender in Schneider and move Luongo for some decent assets, but that obviously wasn't an option.

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What do you mean, no way anyone can defend that move...


Do you people not comprehend; THE CANUCKS ARE WELL OVER THE CAP.

Look historically at the deals made by teams over the cap.

Vancouver paid two AHL lifers for ****ing Erhoff.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Both of those dudes weren't even good enough for the AHL.

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But thats not how its played out.

Any player you have under your team you are trying to develop, always.

Either for them to play a meaningful role on your team or for you to trade him.

What MG is attempting to do is make it sound like this was all part of "the plan", that hes in control and knows what hes doing.
That's how you are interpreting it. You can't tell me or him the meaning behind what he's saying.

But it is fact, either way. Was it the plan? Yes. Your interpretation of why he pointed that out is completely moot, because you don't have an actual clue.

I look at it as he's like, "Don't be so shocked; it's not like this wasn't the plan to begin with." Because everyone IS acting like he murdered a player to lower the cap or something.

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So you move the better goalie, with a MUCH lower cap hit to free up cap space?
1.3 mill isn't much lower...

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Half this board, at least, said it was impossible for Schneider to be traded.

The most amazing thing about this trade is that Y2K was right, again.


Would you expect anything less?

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Gillis is learning from Torts already. He's taken the pressure off Luongo and put the spotlight on himself with this terrible trade. MG is always thinking outside the box.

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If you turn off the internet for a week you'll find very quickly that it really doesn't matter. Relax on the optics, relax on the jokes, enjoy the on ice game and stop pretending the rest of the crap really matters.
Because the other **** affects the product on ice.

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So Calgary was trading Edmonton's prospects?

I really, highly doubt Edmonton was offering 7th overall and a top prospect. That's what Vancouver was apparently asking for in return, but Edmonton obviously wasn't willing to pay it. Most likely Edmonton was dangling 7th and 37th.
Yeah, I think MacT's quote from right before the #7 pick showed that the Canucks and Oilers were not nearly as close to a deal as the pundits have suggested (and almost certainly the Oilers didn't have that deal on offer).

Not sure about the exact language but I remember MacT basically saying "a colleague of mine (Gillis) is basically pushing a heavy stone uphill." To me, that suggests that given the goalie situation in Vancouver (and the fact that Gillis was backed into a corner), the Oilers were not ready to offer the returns Gillis was looking for (for either Luongo or Schneider).

I'm starting to think that the "#7 + 2nd + top prospect offer" was a fabrication or, at best, a guess by the pundits as to what Edmonton was willing to pay (or possibly this was what Gillis was asking from Edmonton).

Doesn't change the fact that Gillis screwed things up both in how he handled the emergence of Schneider and how he waited too long to deal with the situation of having two starting goaltenders and neither the cap space nor the roster situation to keep them.

That said, I'm starting to really think that there wasn't much more he could have gotten for Schneider today. Possibly a minor improvement was out there (in terms of assets only--with the caveat of Schneider staying out West) but probably there was nothing significantly better than what the Canucks got. Ultimately, the security of moving Schneids to the East (and thus avoiding this coming back to bite the Canucks badly) trumped whatever modest increase might have been available on the return.

Also, I really think that the Canucks had Horvat targeted and he was high on their list. Once it became clear that they could grab him at #9, there was little real impetus to trade for #7 (and take on the risks related to having Schneider with a Western opponent and possible future rival, whenever the Oilers actually get it together).

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