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06-30-2013, 06:55 PM
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How does this kid's scouting report compare to Anisimov's in his draft year? Is this guy more offensive? He's big, seems to have a nice wrister.
Much different player.

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Pretty impressing hands on that kid.

Gotta love a pick like this in the 3rd round!

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Zherdev pt. 2.

He needs to get his head right and get his compete level up. He will not even be in NA for another two full seasons (something I despise).
Great. Would love Zherdev part 2 considering, you know, he was our leading scorer and nearly had a 60 point season.

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06-30-2013, 06:58 PM
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You can't keep swinging for the fences when you don't have a first or second round pick.
Why not? Every pick at this point is a 30/70 chance at best, might as well go with the guys they feel have the best upside.

Everyone *****es that the Rangers can't field a competent 4th line, well it'd look a lot better if guys like Hagelin/Callahan played on the third and slotted everyone down because this team had more than 2 skill players for once.

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06-30-2013, 06:59 PM
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If I am going to hate on one of our picks, this is the one.

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If I am going to hate on one of our picks, this is the one.
Hehe, like you ever seen this kid play...

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Looks like this kid can fire it, has nice hands, too. Looks really skilled.

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I really like this pick. However, the only thing I don't like is the fact that he's 160 pounds and has a weak work ethic. He needs to get bigger and that won't happen with a weak work ethic.

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Why not? Every pick at this point is a 30/70 chance at best, might as well go with the guys they feel have the best upside.

Everyone *****es that the Rangers can't field a competent 4th line, well it'd look a lot better if guys like Hagelin/Callahan played on the third and slotted everyone down because this team had more than 2 skill players for once.
Because the boom or bust is likely a bust. You need to add players to the system who can play a role. Especially when your first pick is #65.

Tambelini is another purported boom/bust player. Rangers making each move in a vacuum again.

Just another example of this team trying to be smarter than every other team.

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Hehe, like you ever seen this kid play...
This kid? No. Have not. Every scouting report I've seen has red flags in it, though. Even his freaking coach isn't high on him.

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06-30-2013, 07:06 PM
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Because the boom or bust is likely a bust. You need to add players to the system who can play a role. Especially when your first pick is #65.

Tambelini is another purported boom/bust player. Rangers making each move in a vacuum again.

Just another example of this team trying to be smarter than every other team.
From 1990 to 1999, about one-quarter of the players selected in the second round turned into NHL career players.

Every single player at this point is likely a bust. "From over 2,000 players selected in the third round and beyond during 1990s, just 261 made it as NHL career players. That's about 12 percent."

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/pro...ft_success.htm

Much better to take a guy who has maybe a 5% of being a 1st/2nd liner than a guy who has maybe 15% of being a 4th line player given that 4th line players are by definition replaceable and 1st/2nd liners are much harder to replace.

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HF had him ranked the #2 Russian forward behind Nichuskin and ahead of Marko Dano.

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Because the boom or bust is likely a bust. You need to add players to the system who can play a role. Especially when your first pick is #65.

Tambelini is another purported boom/bust player. Rangers making each move in a vacuum again.

Just another example of this team trying to be smarter than every other team.
This organization spent years adding role players - the MA Cliches, Dane Byers and Brodie Dupont were certainly not boom/bust. They were supposed to be role players. What is severely lacking in this franchise is high-end skill. I have no problem taking risks in the thrid round with boom/bust selections. The problem is that players like Hagelin should be a 3rd liner, but, he's forced into a top six role.

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I like this pick. He's Russian which is a bonus.

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If I am going to hate on one of our picks, this is the one.
I feel like a lot of people want to look "passionate" and "tough" so they will **** on skilled players who at 18 years old don't have that as their strength and are picked in the 3rd round. It makes people feel like REAL MEN to root for guys like Callahan.

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06-30-2013, 07:13 PM
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Take a skill player

*We need bottom 6 players, why are they wasting their time with boom/bust picks?*

Take a grinder

*We need more skill, why are they wasting their time with safe picks?*

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This organization spent years adding role players - the MA Cliches, Dane Byers and Brodie Dupont were certainly not boom/bust. They were supposed to be role players. What is severely lacking in this franchise is high-end skill. I have no problem taking risks in the thrid round with boom/bust selections. The problem is that players like Hagelin should be a 3rd liner, but, he's forced into a top six role.
I understand what you're saying. My point is you need to change your strata when you don't have a 1st or 2nd. With three 3rds, there needs to be room for both.

And MA Cliche helped land the board's resident folk hero.

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This kid? No. Have not. Every scouting report I've seen has red flags in it, though. Even his freaking coach isn't high on him.
You're right the Rangers should have drafted an 18 year old 3rd rounder with no weaknesses.

His coach isn't high on him? And Torts thinks Hagelin sucks on the PowerPlay despite never playing on it. Sometimes coaches aren't ray of sunshine types.

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I understand what you're saying. My point is you need to change your strata when you don't have a 1st or 2nd. With three 3rds, there needs to be room for both.

And MA Cliche helped land the board's resident folk hero.
Whether or not you have a first or second has zero impact on the rest of the draft (excluding trade possibilities of course). The draft is not a one time thing. The players you draft at this point are 3+ years out. You can get guys this year, next year, the year after etc..

Already showed a third+ has ~12% chance to make the NHL - say maybe 15% for the 3rd because that 12% includes 4,5,6,7. Then maybe a boom/bust guy has a 3% chance to because a 1st/2nd liner. By drafting 3 of them we're now up to a 9% chance to realize a good offensive player.

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I understand what you're saying. My point is you need to change your strata when you don't have a 1st or 2nd. With three 3rds, there needs to be room for both.

And MA Cliche helped land the board's resident folk hero.
And, frankly, that's the other part of this day that everyone neglects...it's about selecting and developing assets.

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Skilled, high-potential Russian who has a lack of drive? We'll see what happens I guess.

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You're right the Rangers should have drafted an 18 year old 3rd rounder with no weaknesses.

His coach isn't high on him? And Torts thinks Hagelin sucks on the PowerPlay despite never playing on it. Sometimes coaches aren't ray of sunshine types.
Who said that? I said I'm not the biggest fan of the pick due to all of the red flags I've read. Plus his longer contract in the KHL. Plus the fact his coach thinks his compete level is garbage. I don't hate the pick, but I don't live it either.

My #1 least favorite trait is a player who doesn't care or has a lack of drive.

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It's a ridiculous notion that the Rangers should draft in the middle rounds right now based on holes in the NHL roster. By the time these guys are ready (if ever) the roster is going to look much different. A couple of years ago we were so full with 4th liners that Dane Byers and Dale Weise couldn't even get a legitimate shot. Draft the best value, and if it's close draft needs in relation to the prospect pool.

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I like this pick. He's Russian which is a bonus.
A bonus for you, or for the organization?

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