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Round 1, Pick #11: Samuel Morin, Defense, Rimouski (QMJHL)

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06-30-2013, 08:24 PM
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Considering that this pick is neither safe nor high upside (unless you are hoping for offense to materialize out of nowhere), I am not pleased with it. Given how the draft shook out, the Flyers had terrible luck to be sitting there at #11 and I wish they had traded either up or down instead of just taking their lumps.
Morin is a safe bet to be at least a #5 shut-down guy at the NHL.

That's if he completely flops though. Kid has great skating and size.

He IS a "safe pick."

He also has high upside to be an elite shut-down defenseman in the NHL.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have much offensive upside.

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06-30-2013, 08:26 PM
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Well two things to like about him is his work ethic and his Hockey IQ.

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Fingers crossed for Pronger 2.0. Very very very unlikely, but stranger things have happend. Flyers scouting obviously saw something. I'm sure that Pronger had a hand in the pick and will definetly be a big part of his development. I like the pick, as much as I wanted Nichushkin to fall to 11.

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06-30-2013, 08:29 PM
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Morin is a safe bet to be at least a #5 shut-down guy at the NHL.

That's if he completely flops though. Kid has great skating and size.

He IS a "safe pick."

He also has high upside to be an elite shut-down defenseman in the NHL.

Unfortunately, he doesn't have much offensive upside.
I think it is simply too soon to say that. He has a nice shot and an adequate pass, from what I have read. That, combined with his strong hockey iq and his plus skating suggests that there might be some offensive potential there.

I do like the snarl with his size.

I think you could make a fairly compelling case that his ceiling is higher than nurse or ristolainen--though he obviously also has a biggest potential to bust as well.

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06-30-2013, 08:31 PM
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Unfortunately, he doesn't have much offensive upside.
I don't agree with this, Chris. He skates well and he's not bad at moving the puck, and his hockey sense is apparently quite good. No scouting report I've read on him has mentioned him having poor ability with the puck. He's not going to be a dynamite puck mover, but with a little bit of development, I wouldn't count out his offensive game coming along.

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06-30-2013, 08:34 PM
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I don't agree with this, Chris. He skates well and he's not bad at moving the puck, and his hockey sense is apparently quite good. No scouting report I've read on him has mentioned him having poor ability with the puck. He's not going to be a dynamite puck mover, but with a little bit of development, I wouldn't count out his offensive game coming along.
We'll see.

As for his boom/bust trajectory, I look at it more like this...

Morin's basement is the exact same basement as Nurse, however Nurse has a better shot at being better than his basement.

I think the both have roughly the same absolute ceiling, however Nurse has a better shot at getting closer to that ceiling.

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I don't agree with this, Chris. He skates well and he's not bad at moving the puck, and his hockey sense is apparently quite good. No scouting report I've read on him has mentioned him having poor ability with the puck. He's not going to be a dynamite puck mover, but with a little bit of development, I wouldn't count out his offensive game coming along.
This guy is also very young. He is likely to have another two years in the Q to develop his game even further. Lets see where is is then before hating the pick.

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06-30-2013, 08:41 PM
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This guy is also very young. He is likely to have another two years in the Q to develop his game even further. Lets see where is is then before hating the pick.
I like Morin more than Zadorov at the very least.

Zadorov is 6 months older than Morin, roughly 2" shorter, not as aggressive, not as intelligent, and put up only 9 more points on the London Knights.

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I like the pick more with seeing how young he is. I hadn't read much or watched anything about him before this, and then all anyone had to say when we picked him was that he was a great fighter.

Honestly with being 17 his offense could burst onto the scene next year. We'll have to wait and see. Hopefully he has the mobility and IQ to be at least a top 4 dman.

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This is just a pick where we traded floor for ceiling. I don't like the pick, but getting Hagg (the safer pick) in round 2 makes this one a lot easier to swallow.

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I know these are his highlights, but he looks real good in his own end. I'm liking these pick more and more.

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This is just a pick where we traded floor for ceiling. I don't like the pick, but getting Hagg (the safer pick) in round 2 makes this one a lot easier to swallow.
I agree. Hagg really made this draft a win.

That doesn't mean he's a better pick-up than Morin, but it gives us some breathing room.

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I know these are his highlights, but he looks real good in his own end. I'm liking these pick more and more.
Yeah I just was going to post this. I like his footwork for a big man....he looks pretty good

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Know who else was physical, rangy, and had great footwork?

Pronger...

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Wish he was atleast invited to the WJC camp this summer

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Morin will most likely be a 2nd pairing dman. We could have done worse so I'm not too upset with it. However, and I know this is going to be very unpopular with most of you because you way over value our guys, but I was hoping that when Jones fell to 4 that Homer would make a move and offer our 11th pick and coots for the chance to pick Jones. I love Coots and all but if you have the chance to get Jones and it only costs you Coots and Morin, you do it.

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I think it is simply too soon to say that. He has a nice shot and an adequate pass, from what I have read. That, combined with his strong hockey iq and his plus skating suggests that there might be some offensive potential there.

I do like the snarl with his size.

I think you could make a fairly compelling case that his ceiling is higher than nurse or ristolainen--though he obviously also has a biggest potential to bust as well.
If he hasn't shown it yet at the junior level then there is almost no chance he "developes it" at the NHL level. Get real, he's a one way, one dimensional, defensive dman, nothing more. He's a 2nd pairing guy in the mold of L Schenn.

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Fingers crossed for Pronger 2.0. Very very very unlikely, but stranger things have happend. Flyers scouting obviously saw something. I'm sure that Pronger had a hand in the pick and will definetly be a big part of his development. I like the pick, as much as I wanted Nichushkin to fall to 11.
Forget Pronger 2.0. Pronger was unique. Morin will be Morin.

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I know these are his highlights, but he looks real good in his own end. I'm liking these pick more and more.
Love how he loses the puck like three times in the corner, and then blindly sends it up the board setting up Sweden for a sweet shot from the point.

Actually, I'm sorry, he didn't set up that sweet sweet shot from the point, his teammate did.

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Love how he loses the puck like three times in the corner, and then blindly sends it up the board setting up Sweden for a sweet shot from the point.

Actually, I'm sorry, he didn't set up that sweet sweet shot from the point, his teammate did.
Im not gonna lie, saw some good things in the video but that puck FLYS off of his stick every time he touched it :/. Hope he really works on that.

EDIT: Also to the people saying Pronger had a say, it was posted on twitter that Pronger didnt scout the guy.

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If he hasn't shown it yet at the junior level then there is almost no chance he "developes it" at the NHL level. Get real, he's a one way, one dimensional, defensive dman, nothing more. He's a 2nd pairing guy in the mold of L Schenn.
False. See: Shea Weber and his 18 points in 70 games in the WHL in his draft year.

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If he hasn't shown it yet at the junior level then there is almost no chance he "developes it" at the NHL level. Get real, he's a one way, one dimensional, defensive dman, nothing more. He's a 2nd pairing guy in the mold of L Schenn.
Oh, enough of this.

If scouting offensive potential was simply based on statistics, we'd all be pretty effective scouts.

Morin's hockey IQ coupled with his skating ability indicate there is further offensive potential to be developed. Tyler Myers had very similar numbers in his draft year.

It's all about looking at his skill set and seeing how it projects at the next level. His skill set is nothing like Schenn aside from the fact that they're both big and nasty.

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Wish he was atleast invited to the WJC camp this summer
Some of those defenders invited might be playing in the NHL next year.

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Some of those defenders invited might be playing in the NHL next year.
True.

From what I can see, plays good defensively and actually is a very good skater for his size. Problems with the puck though.

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I'm sorry, I still can't believe we went with Morin over Pulock. I just can't wrap my head around it.

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