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06-30-2013, 09:13 PM
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Morin, Hagg, laughton, Stolarz, Gostisbehere, Straka, Noebels, Cousins, and so on
I guess it comes down to though if you are ranking based off of pure potential vs. their floor also. For example is Morin who has a high ceiling but a low floor.

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Laughton
Morin
Hagg
Stolaz
Gostisbehere
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Noebels
Cousins

Also got guys like Larsson, Wilcox (who played every game for Cornell as a freshman and looked really good), etc etc.

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I guess it comes down to though if you are ranking based off of pure potential vs. their floor also. For example is Morin who has a high ceiling but a low floor.
HF seems to rank them off their ceilings

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The serious question is where does Goulbourne rank? I'm thinking top 3.

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06-30-2013, 09:27 PM
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Now I have a question to ask. Do you think we could've gotten Cory from Vancouver for our 11th and maybe our 3rd? I mean what the heck, NJ got him for just the pick.

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Our third pick, I'm still disappointed about. Bad bad pick IMO

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06-30-2013, 09:30 PM
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I guess it comes down to though if you are ranking based off of pure potential vs. their floor also. For example is Morin who has a high ceiling but a low floor.

I'd go:

Laughton
Morin
Hagg
Stolaz
Gostisbehere
Straka
Noebels
Cousins

Also got guys like Larsson, Wilcox (who played every game for Cornell as a freshman and looked really good), etc etc.
Why so low on Cousins? I pretty much agree with you list except Cousins being so low. I would place him above Straka and Noebels.

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06-30-2013, 10:32 PM
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Why so low on Cousins? I pretty much agree with you list except Cousins being so low. I would place him above Straka and Noebels.
Well noebels has proven himself at the echl and done extremely well in the ahl. Was gonna play for the flyers in a game at the end of last season but played in the wc anyway. I have him easily over cousins atm. Straka is closer but i like straka's offensive skill translating. I like cousins but he has alot of work defensively. Also dont know if his offense translate over. He is good in passing and shooting but not great in anything

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The serious question is where does Goulbourne rank? I'm thinking top 3.

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07-01-2013, 01:08 PM
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Was talking to a guy from Cornell who watched Willcox play. Im telling ya, a smoothskating 6'4 defender who plays even strength and pk? Can't hate it. The guy said that the kid played the most minutes as a true 18 yr old freshman against some good teams. An example is playing the powerhouse in Quinnipiac, played the most minutes on the team in a 4-1 loss but went +1.

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Willcox immediately stepped in as a top-four defenseman, logging substantial minutes both on the penalty kill and at even strength. He was the only Big Red freshman and only one of six players overall to appear in all 34 games. Willcox was on the ice for 20 of the Big Red's 50 even-strength goals, which ranked second on the team among defenseman (behind only Nick D'Agostino). Three of his five points came on the ice at Princeton's Hobey Baker Rink. The first came in the regular season, when he had the secondary assist on John Esposito's power-play goal on Nov. 9. He then added an assist in each game of the Big Red's two-game sweep of the Tigers in the ECAC Hockey Championship first-round series.
Won't score points, but is someone to look for in the future. Watching him in one Cornell game, and at the prospect camp, he 100% reminds me of Coburn (how he plays)

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07-01-2013, 01:32 PM
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Was talking to a guy from Cornell who watched Willcox play. Im telling ya, a smoothskating 6'4 defender who plays even strength and pk? Can't hate it. The guy said that the kid played the most minutes as a true 18 yr old freshman against some good teams. An example is playing the powerhouse in Quinnipiac, played the most minutes on the team in a 4-1 loss but went +1.

Here is the writeup on him:

Won't score points, but is someone to look for in the future. Watching him in one Cornell game, and at the prospect camp, he 100% reminds me of Coburn (how he plays)
I'm hoping he comes in and overtakes the Lauridsen hype train for that bottom pairing SDD spot. He's got NHL potential, just not top 4.

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07-01-2013, 01:34 PM
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I'm hoping he comes in and overtakes the Lauridsen hype train for that bottom pairing SDD spot. He's got NHL potential, just not top 4.
Who Willcox? Oh dont get me wrong, I ant penciling him even into the AHL. Was just talking about a young mid round pick who doesnt get talked about at all.

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07-01-2013, 01:37 PM
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I only saw him play on the one NBCSN broadcast, but I was impressed. His frame, skating, and puck carrying stood out immediately.

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Who Willcox? Oh dont get me wrong, I ant penciling him even into the AHL. Was just talking about a young mid round pick who doesnt get talked about at all.
Penciling in shouldn't be done for any of these guys. I have higher upside hopes for Willcox though than any defenseman in the system not named Morin, Hagg, Gostisbehere, or Manning (even if those hopes are only that he can become a real #6).

Some people here like Vasliev. Some like Lauridsen. Nobody is talking about Larsson. I don't know what's going on with Bourdon. And Alt is obviously a long-shot.

Outside of Morin, Hagg, and Gostisbehere though, I don't see much likely legitimate NHL potential.

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07-01-2013, 01:44 PM
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If there's any guarded optimism I have for anyone in Adirondack, Mark Alt is that guy. Just that combination of size, skating, and someone who's comfortable moving the puck, has me intrigued. I know he had a rough final year in Minnesota and that he was dealing with some personal items, but he came into Adirondack and played well. Hopefully an off season of clearing up matters and then being able to focus on hockey will help him get to the next level.

If he does become a quality NHL defender, that could make him, Gostisbehere, Morin and Hagg as all defenders who could join the big club and that doesn't even include a Brandon Manning (who I still think could be a very valuable piece) and Oliver Lauridsen. That's building a pipeline and that's what the Flyers need. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really feeling good about the future of the blue line.

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07-01-2013, 01:49 PM
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I'm hoping he comes in and overtakes the Lauridsen hype train for that bottom pairing SDD spot. He's got NHL potential, just not top 4.
Probably not but still a little early to definitively state that. He has the frame, skating, and pucks skills to be more. Needs to desperately add weight. Played a lot as a freshman which is rare. This year will be big to see if his offensive skills and production progress.

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07-01-2013, 01:58 PM
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If there's any guarded optimism I have for anyone in Adirondack, Mark Alt is that guy. Just that combination of size, skating, and someone who's comfortable moving the puck, has me intrigued. I know he had a rough final year in Minnesota and that he was dealing with some personal items, but he came into Adirondack and played well. Hopefully an off season of clearing up matters and then being able to focus on hockey will help him get to the next level.

If he does become a quality NHL defender, that could make him, Gostisbehere, Morin and Hagg as all defenders who could join the big club and that doesn't even include a Brandon Manning (who I still think could be a very valuable piece) and Oliver Lauridsen. That's building a pipeline and that's what the Flyers need. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really feeling good about the future of the blue line.
Andreas Lilja said some nice things about playing with Alt at the end of the last year. Add him to Gostibehere, Willcox, Morin, Hagg and Vasiliev, who advanced to the KHL at the end of the year, and the Flyers have some nice depth in defensemen prospects with Gustafsson and L. Schenn as two young guys already on the team.

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07-01-2013, 01:59 PM
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If there's any guarded optimism I have for anyone in Adirondack, Mark Alt is that guy. Just that combination of size, skating, and someone who's comfortable moving the puck, has me intrigued. I know he had a rough final year in Minnesota and that he was dealing with some personal items, but he came into Adirondack and played well. Hopefully an off season of clearing up matters and then being able to focus on hockey will help him get to the next level.

If he does become a quality NHL defender, that could make him, Gostisbehere, Morin and Hagg as all defenders who could join the big club and that doesn't even include a Brandon Manning (who I still think could be a very valuable piece) and Oliver Lauridsen. That's building a pipeline and that's what the Flyers need. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really feeling good about the future of the blue line.
Right now, my ranking based on potential...

1. Morin
2. Hagg
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3. Gostisbehere
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-- (healthy Bourdon)
4. Manning
5. Alt
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6. Willcox
7. Lauridsen
8. Konan
9. Vasiliev
10. Larsson

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I like Ghost more than Hagg right now. For some reason the shiny new toys always leap the players from previous years on HF. Ghost has the potential to be a steal in the 3rd round with his continuous growth He is the one prospect I am absolutely thrilled with right now, hoping he becomes a top 4 in two/three years for us.

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I like Ghost more than Hagg right now. For some reason the shiny new toys always leap the players from previous years on HF. Ghost has the potential to be a steal in the 3rd round with his continuous growth He is the one prospect I am absolutely thrilled with right now, hoping he becomes a top 4 in two/three years for us.
Our young core...

Giroux (25)
Simmonds (24)
Voracek (23)
Schenn (21)
Couturier (20)
Laughton (19)
Cousins (19)

Gustafsson (24)
Schenn (23)
Gostisbehere (20)
Hagg (18)
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(healthy Bourdon)
I'm not sure if we'll ever see Bourdon again. I think the man's career is over.

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Our young core...

Giroux (25)
Simmonds (24)
Voracek (23)
Schenn (21)
Couturier (20)
Laughton (19)
Cousins (19)

Gustafsson (24)
Schenn (23)
Gostisbehere (20)
Hagg (18)
Morin (17)
Add in a couple of well placed veterans and you have the makings of a Stanley Cup contender in a couple of years.

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Our young core...

Giroux (25)
Simmonds (24)
Voracek (23)
Schenn (21)
Couturier (20)
Laughton (19)
Cousins (19)

Gustafsson (24)
Schenn (23)
Gostisbehere (20)
Hagg (18)
Morin (17)
If only we could somehow wangle one of OEL, Larsson, Pietrangelo etc without giving any of these guys up! Or Hedman, every time I see him he looks better and better.

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If there's any guarded optimism I have for anyone in Adirondack, Mark Alt is that guy. Just that combination of size, skating, and someone who's comfortable moving the puck, has me intrigued. I know he had a rough final year in Minnesota and that he was dealing with some personal items, but he came into Adirondack and played well. Hopefully an off season of clearing up matters and then being able to focus on hockey will help him get to the next level.

If he does become a quality NHL defender, that could make him, Gostisbehere, Morin and Hagg as all defenders who could join the big club and that doesn't even include a Brandon Manning (who I still think could be a very valuable piece) and Oliver Lauridsen. That's building a pipeline and that's what the Flyers need. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really feeling good about the future of the blue line.
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Andreas Lilja said some nice things about playing with Alt at the end of the last year. Add him to Gostibehere, Willcox, Morin, Hagg and Vasiliev, who advanced to the KHL at the end of the year, and the Flyers have some nice depth in defensemen prospects with Gustafsson and L. Schenn as two young guys already on the team.
Saw Alt play two games for the Phantoms. Wouldnt call him amazing but for a 21 yr old rookie he looked good. Played a solid game. His biggest problem is he sometimes losses positioning (like real bad positioning). Needs to work on that but I was impressed.

Pipeline isnt as bad as it can seem. Signed a few old 2nd round picks, added defenders such as Morin and Hagg and it looks better.

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Probably not but still a little early to definitively state that. He has the frame, skating, and pucks skills to be more. Needs to desperately add weight. Played a lot as a freshman which is rare. This year will be big to see if his offensive skills and production progress.
Exactly. Wouldnt say he will be a top 4 but I was impressed with what he did last season. Only player (I think) to play every single game last year. Add to the fact that he is a smooth skating 6'4 defender who can handle the puck. Not bad at all. He isnt flashy though and not a PPQB so dont know how many points he will get.

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If there's any guarded optimism I have for anyone in Adirondack, Mark Alt is that guy. Just that combination of size, skating, and someone who's comfortable moving the puck, has me intrigued. I know he had a rough final year in Minnesota and that he was dealing with some personal items, but he came into Adirondack and played well. Hopefully an off season of clearing up matters and then being able to focus on hockey will help him get to the next level.

If he does become a quality NHL defender, that could make him, Gostisbehere, Morin and Hagg as all defenders who could join the big club and that doesn't even include a Brandon Manning (who I still think could be a very valuable piece) and Oliver Lauridsen. That's building a pipeline and that's what the Flyers need. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really feeling good about the future of the blue line.


You are not alone with your thinking in that regards. I had forgot about Mark. The Flyers have added a lot the past two seasons to their back end as far as prospects go, and you can only hope that some of these young men can mature and play for the big club one day.

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