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07-01-2013, 12:06 AM
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We did need another "pest" forward in the pipeline, but this was a major reach. Awful value.

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07-01-2013, 12:16 AM
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The only worse pick would have been taking Taro Tsujimoto.
Of the Tokyo Katanas?

That would have been an AMAZING pick!

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Serious question, who is the last consistently good North American born skater selected by Wings? I'm discounting Jimmy Howard for this question. It looks to me that their track record outside of Europe over the last decade is average at best when it comes to N.A. born players.

Who? Helm? Miller?


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07-01-2013, 12:20 AM
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Serious question, who is the last consistently good North American born player selected by Wings? It looks to me that their track record outside of Europe over the last decade is average at best when it comes to N.A. born players.
Jimmy Howard. And Helm if he could stay healthy.

Might have to add Smith to the list if he strings together a nice full season.

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07-01-2013, 12:26 AM
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Jimmy Howard. And Helm if he could stay healthy.

Might have to add Smith to the list if he strings together a nice full season.
While he isn't North American Born, Wasn't Nyquist at the University of Maine when he was drafted?

Or was he drafted in Malmo before going to Maine..I can't remember. If it was from Maine than our North American scouts are responsible for that pick too

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07-01-2013, 12:31 AM
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While he isn't North American Born, Wasn't Nyquist at the University of Maine when he was drafted?

Or was he drafted in Malmo before going to Maine..I can't remember. If it was from Maine than our North American scouts are responsible for that pick too
If I'm reading this right, he started his first year of Maine his draft year. So he would have last played at Malmo at the time of his draft.

I also didn't include 1st line forward Justin Abdelkader

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07-01-2013, 12:38 AM
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I also didn't include 1st line forward Justin Abdelkader
*ahem* 1st line power forward that is.

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discounting Howard, the last time we took someone from an NA league who mattered was in '98 when we grabbed Fischer. God I miss him...

Then it was Dandenault in the 94 draft and McCarty in 92

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discounting Howard, the last time we took someone from an NA league who mattered was in '98 when we grabbed Fischer. God I miss him...

Then it was Dandenault in the 94 draft and McCarty in 92
there wasn't much for a while there's no denying that

but the Wings system is just loaded with talent that they drafted out of North American leagues right now

I mean.... Smith,Jensen,Ferraro,Mrazek,Sheahan,Tvrdon,Sproul, Ouellet,Frk,Paterson,Athanasiou,Mantha

all of those guys were drafted out of North American leagues


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I think this is the same group that threw a fit when Ouellet was drafted.

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I think this is the same group that threw a fit when Ouellet was drafted.
because this is even remotely similar

Ouellet was actually decently rated by scouting services

oh and he had more points and a higher PPG in his draft year than Bertuzzi

....as a defensive defenseman

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07-01-2013, 02:11 AM
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if Bertuzzi can grow just a bit more, I could come around on this one. 6'1 would be a solid height for his sort of player.

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Sounds like we could've got him in the 5th or 6th round. What a ****ing joke.
It sure does. Strange. Well, time will tell if it was a bad move or not.

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It sure does. Strange. Well, time will tell if it was a bad move or not.
I'm convinced there was scuttlebutt another team would grab him, otherwise it does make very little sense.

Maybe big Todd knew something?

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I love you guys lol. Seriously can we stop with the "you haven't even seen him play" line. We have a Storm fan here. He's seen the kid play, he offered a first hand opinion and you basically ignored him because it doesn't fit your narrative. I quote:

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I'm a Storm fan, went to 10 games this season plus saw 5 or so more on TV. I'm shocked he went in the second. He's been an solid player for the Storm, great pest while contributing some offense this season. But I really don't think he should've been drafted this high. Very odd move. But Detroit always drafts well, maybe they saw something in him that I/the rest of the media didn't.
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Like most others, 5th-7th. Maybe 4th, but even then I would've been surprised. I'm shocked he was chosen in the second, by Detroit of all teams...
Enjoy your Andrew Shaw fantasies, but this was a terrible pick.

The kid plays in the OHL and doesn't even have a highlight video. Note, I said "the OHL" as in Ontario; it's not like he's from East Nowherestan. Guelph is pretty scoutable last I checked folks.

Wasted pick. And DO NOT say it was free. There is no such THING as a free draft pick. Holland made a good move to trade down and then by virtually all accounts wasted it. Between this and the last contract I'm now convinced that Bert has pictures of someone in the front office dressed like a vegas showgirl to use as blackmail material; he'll be assistant GM next.

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07-01-2013, 02:44 AM
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You're not going to convince people with any amount of fan quotes. Just let this develop and if you're right you can be super smug in a few years.

Besides, wouldn't it be terribly boring if everybody agreed with you?

I'm not super excited about the pick, but like I said, they must have figured he'd get sniped fairly quickly. How or why they came to that conclusion is the type of information we typically aren't privileged to until well after the fact.

So it's a head scratcher, but based upon Detroit's long history of drafting we are left with two conclusions:
1) They (a significantly large group of management, not just one guy) thought he'd get taken and are high on him.
2) They collectively went insane for a window of 10 minutes.

Group insanity is rare, but not entirely unheard of. For example, look at all these people that cheer for the Blackhawks!

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You're not going to convince people with any amount of fan quotes. Just let this develop and if you're right you can be super smug in a few years.

Besides, wouldn't it be terribly boring if everybody agreed with you?

I'm not super excited about the pick, but like I said, they must have figured he'd get sniped fairly quickly. How or why they came to that conclusion is the type of information we typically aren't privileged to until well after the fact.

So it's a head scratcher, but based upon Detroit's long history of drafting we are left with two conclusions:
1) They (a significantly large group of management, not just one guy) thought he'd get taken and are high on him.
2) They collectively went insane for a window of 10 minutes.

Group insanity is rare, but not entirely unheard of. For example, look at all these people that cheer for the Blackhawks!
All very reasonable points Bench; and now that we have him I hope it's clear I'll be rooting that I'm wrong!

Merely pointing out that "you've never even seen him" isn't much of a valid point when everyone is going to completely ignore the guy who's specifically saying he's seen him 15+ times.

Additionally, the very concept of a "free draft pick" makes me do this:


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07-01-2013, 03:07 AM
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all draft picks are free....you just kinda get them

Colorado should have drafted some random kid that's never played hockey before first overall,I mean....why not? it was a free draft pick!

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I'm giving away free draft picks to the first 5 callers.

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if Bertuzzi can grow just a bit more, I could come around on this one. 6'1 would be a solid height for his sort of player.
Height is overrated in the NHL... Jordin Tootoo at 6'1 wouldn't make a damn difference.

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You all need to relax a minute. Stop acting like we used a to ten pick on nobody Jones. It's a late second round pick. The success rate of second round picks is pretty damn low to begin with. By the time the kid is deemed a bust years from now no one is going to give much of a ****. Just my two cents.

Bench give me my draft pick so I can draft a defensive lineman and convert him to an ice hockey player to aid us in our survival in the big bad east.

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90% of you havent seen him play so pump the brakes a bit. Hes a tough physical player and just becuse mocks didnt have high doesnt mean hes not worth the pick. Give it time before you declare him terrible
This is HF, that's how we roll

I'm one of the people who doesn't like this pick because it doesn't address our needs and better players (let's be realistic) were available.

I know we shouldn't judge him when he just got drafted yesterday, but odds are not in his favor that he makes the NHL and is a true impact player (like a lot of 2nd rounders are).

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Bench give me my draft pick so I can draft a defensive lineman and convert him to an ice hockey player to aid us in our survival in the big bad east.
We've got 1 draft pick gone folks. Only a few remain. Call now!

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You all need to relax a minute. Stop acting like we used a to ten pick on nobody Jones. It's a late second round pick. The success rate of second round picks is pretty damn low to begin with. By the time the kid is deemed a bust years from now no one is going to give much of a ****. Just my two cents.

Bench give me my draft pick so I can draft a defensive lineman and convert him to an ice hockey player to aid us in our survival in the big bad east.
the Wings have actually done pretty well in the 2nd round for a long time now though

Red Wings 2nd round draft picks since 2000(excluding this year):

2000: Kopecky
2001: Grigorenko
2002: Hudler,Fleischmann
2003: Howard
2004: no 2nd round picks
2005: Abdelkader
2006: Emmerton,Matthias,Axelsson
2007: no 2nd round picks
2008: no 2nd round picks
2009: Ferraro,Tatar
2010: Jarnkrok
2011: Jurco,Ouellet,Sproul
2012: Frk

that's an impressive list and suggests that 2nd round picks are worth a lot more than you're implying here

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Hmm that is pretty damn impressive. I'm changing my reasoning to 'calm down we got this. We're awesome at drafting in the second round. So step off and kick rocks,chumps. Ty Bert future all star.'

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