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06-30-2013, 05:01 PM
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and Gill just gets older.
I wonder if the pick of Jones makes a buyout of Gill a possibility? We have way too many dmen, and none of the extra ones have value.

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Ellis is not going to get traded
Y'all might as well get off that horse. Second if Ellis gels with Josi better he will. Which i see happening. Klein was much improved last year but a lot of people are forgetting how a lot of people wanted him out during the season the year before.
Popoo Ellis all you want the coaching hire this year was to help develop Ellis and Ekholm

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06-30-2013, 05:10 PM
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Ellis doesn't have the frame to handle 2nd line minutes, and even when fans were blasting Klein, Trotz was still giving him big minutes. In fact Klein has been getting top 4 minutes since 2009.

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Klein has received a lot of uncalled for bashing. That doesn't really mean much. He has been one of the most steady, consistent defenders on the team for years now. The last time he was truly bad was when he was paired with Hamhuis. Both of them just sucked. They didn't complement one another at all.

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06-30-2013, 07:07 PM
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You lucky ********! Have you ordered your Stanley Cup rings yet? (Seth Jones)
You know it. We're going to get the score of all 16 wins inscribed on the inside of the band. Shouldn't be that difficult, since they'll all be 1-0...

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Being reported by several media that Poile has said in his post-draft that Yip and Mueller won't be back...

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Being reported by several media that Poile has said in his post-draft that Yip and Mueller won't be back...
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Hopefully more changes to come...

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Wanted to get some feedback on an idea from Predator fans. I don't know much about Roman Josi, but what I've read is nothing but good. Given your organizational needs, at next year's deadline, what do you think of a deal like Josi for Ryan O'Reilly (ignore the divisional rivalry aspect for now). Is the value approximately there?

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Wanted to get some feedback on an idea from Predator fans. I don't know much about Roman Josi, but what I've read is nothing but good. Given your organizational needs, at next year's deadline, what do you think of a deal like Josi for Ryan O'Reilly (ignore the divisional rivalry aspect for now). Is the value approximately there?
imo, no way i do that. josi is locked up for 7 years on a good contract. he's only getting better.

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imo, no way i do that. josi is locked up for 7 years on a good contract. he's only getting better.
I can respect that, but unless you plan to find a center in future drafts (for your sake and ours, I hope our franchises aren't picking at the top of the draft next year), you will very like have to move assets to get one. I don't see you guys trading Weber or Jones. Josi is your guys' best asset and the Avs seem like a common sense trading partner.

I can certainly understand why you wouldn't want to make this trade. The question I have is how you see yourselves building a complete team without making some trade like this.

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I can respect that, but unless you plan to find a center in future drafts (for your sake and ours, I hope our franchises aren't picking at the top of the draft next year), you will very like have to move assets to get one. I don't see you guys trading Weber or Jones. Josi is your guys' best asset and the Avs seem like a common sense trading partner.

I can certainly understand why you wouldn't want to make this trade. The question I have is how you see yourselves building a complete team without making some trade like this.
you have a very good point and see exactly what your saying. some tough decisions will have to be made especially seeing how we are in free agency.. what about josi + for duchene?

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you have a very good point and see exactly what your saying. some tough decisions will have to be made especially seeing how we are in free agency.. what about josi + for duchene?
Duchene is about as untouchable as it gets at this point for the Avs. For the Avs to trade him, it would have to be massive overpayment. He is part of the Avs branding at this point. Same goes for Landeskog and soon MacKinnon.

O'Reilly can be had a fair value, Duchene cannot. Truthfully, I don't think Josi+ is even fair value for Duchene, but it's not worth the discussion. Duchene is in contract extension discussions at this time and I wouldn't be surprised to see a NTC included. On top of that, there are pictures of him as a kid with Avs gear littering his room. You get the picture...

If you go to the main boards, you can see the reaction that other Avs fans have when Duchene's name gets dropped in proposals. I consider myself a reasonable person, so I have no intention of acting that way. But, I cannot impress upon you enough that Duchene would not be part of these discussions.

I realize that Ryan O'Reilly is not quite sexy enough of a name. On the other hand, you have an organization built around its defense. O'Reilly would fit wonderfully in that system as one of the best two-way forwards in the game (he recently led the league in takeaways, I believe). You can think of him as a poor man's Bergeron. You won't score a ton of goals, but using him you could build a team in the mold of the Boston Bruins while the Avs are building a team more in the mold of the Chicago Blackhawks.

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You need to look at team needs, etc. before you come in with a trade proposal. Josi is the only decent left handed defenseman that the Preds have. They now have Weber, Klein and Jones on the right side. Josi would be the last one to be traded.

Plus, O'Reilly is a concern from a contract standpoint. No team is going to want to qualify him for 7 mil as an RFA and I doubt he's interested in giving any kind of contract discount after the hold out and everything this season.

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You need to look at team needs, etc. before you come in with a trade proposal.
With all due respect, a major point of coming onto this thread was specifically to find out about this stuff. It is far easier and quicker for me to ask such questions of you guys then spend time finding it out for myself through other means. I feel that my tone thus far has been reflective of this.

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Josi is the only decent left handed defenseman that the Preds have. They now have Weber, Klein and Jones on the right side. Josi would be the last one to be traded.
Well, I'm sure the Avs would gladly accept either Jones or Weber if you'd prefer Seriously, however, you would still have to address the question of how you guys plan to upgrade your offense otherwise. If you'd rather move Weber for an elite center or Jones for an elite prospect, I can understand that, but I'd be surprised. I'm not sure your other defensive prospects hold enough value to get you someone of O'Reilly's quality at this point - I'm not familiar with your prospect pool so forgive me if I'm off-base.

Considering that I've read elsewhere that Nashville might even pair Jones with Weber, maybe your organization does not put so much stock into the handedness of the player?

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While that would be roughly the cost to qualify him, there's nothing that prevents him from signing a long-term contract for more reasonable dollar value. If O'Reilly is insisting on $6.5 million+ AAV, this discussion is moot. I'm sort of assuming, for the sake of argument, that this will not be the case.


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If the plan is to upgrade the offense, I'd like to think we would aim for someone a bit more offensively proficient than ROR.

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Being reported by several media that Poile has said in his post-draft that Yip and Mueller won't be back...
So let's take that and the SK, Blum and Halischuk statements and try to guess our roster, before adding a fa or trade.

Forsberg-Fisher-Wilson
Beck-Legwand-Bourque
Smith-Spaling-Hornqvist
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Weber-Josi
Klein-Jones
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Gill

Rinne
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So let's take that and the SK, Blum and Halischuk statements and try to guess our roster, before adding a fa or trade.

Forsberg-Fisher-Wilson
Beck-Legwand-Bourque
Smith-Spaling-Hornqvist
Clune-Gaustad/Watson-Leipsic

Weber-Josi
Klein-Jones
Ekholm-Bartley
Gill

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???
Hellburg is the next in line under contract. Question is does Poile fasttrack him like Lindback? And I think in the, what we have right now for forwards, you gotta have Kevin Henderson on the bottom unit of forwards.

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Being reported by several media that Poile has said in his post-draft that Yip and Mueller won't be back...
This was likely Yip's last NHL stop. He just doesn't have the speed and footwork to stay at the highest level. Mueller might could catch on somewhere as a checking forward.

Regardless, their departures take us down to 12 returning forwards, counting Forsberg and excluding Rask (who ended the year on the roster but likely won't start 2013-14 there).

I've been wondering who Poile has in mind, so I went through the list of free agents and plucked a few trade targets off the trade board and started working them in with our guys. The product of that is listed below. "Complements" are players who would have finished first or second on our team in points per game in 2013. "Supplements" would have finished third or lower, but not lower than sixth. For frame of reference, our top six by points per game:

C. Wilson - 0.76
P. Hornqvist - 0.58
S. Weber - 0.58
M. Fisher - 0.55
D. Legwand - 0.52
G. Bourque - 0.47

After that, I cut all players over the age of 33 (the assumption being that players at this age and under definitely have more than one good year of production left before decline becomes unpredictable). The list, thus trimmed, looks like this:

Complements
M. Ribeiro
M. Ryder
V. Lecavalier (last player to finish above Wilson)
B. Boyes
D. Roy
T. Seguin*
T. Bozak
P. Stastny*
D. Brunner

Supplements
J. Skinner*
D. Setoguchi* (last player to finish above Fisher)
D. Perron* (last player to finish above Legwand)
N. Horton
D. Clarkson
V. Stalberg
M. Raymond

On the Complements list, the player who sticks out to me is the player at the very end - Damien Brunner. Brunner has really flown under the radar in terms of free agent hype after he tailed off at the end of the season. I think the physical intensity of the NHL is something he wasn't totally ready for, and I wonder if he wouldn't be better equipped to handle it on a second go 'round. Everyone else is likely going to ask for absurd amounts of money, but I get the feeling he could come on the cheap.

The Supplements are all solid players who would help our offense without necessarily giving us the explosive attacking boost we need. Horton will get a big payday based on his playoff performance. A team is undoubtedly willing to pay him $5-6M to play average regular season hockey and world class playoff hockey.

Ideally, we find the cap space to pluck a player off each list and become a Cup contender overnight (my preference would be Lecavalier and Raymond or Skinner), but the cap space and assets likely aren't there to get two players unless Raymond or Stalberg comes in on a deal realistic in regards to their contributions ($2-3M). But when has that ever happened in free agency? I suppose Kostitsyn could come off the salary cap, as well, but I think the NHL is going to stick us with the money even if he goes overseas.

Of course, we could always take a flier on a guy like Clowe or Bouchard, guys with long injury histories but very low price tags. That could be a classic Predators pickup, but only AFTER a major acquisition is made.

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07-01-2013, 08:35 AM
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Ellis is not going to get traded
Y'all might as well get off that horse. Second if Ellis gels with Josi better he will. Which i see happening. Klein was much improved last year but a lot of people are forgetting how a lot of people wanted him out during the season the year before.
Popoo Ellis all you want the coaching hire this year was to help develop Ellis and Ekholm
Ellis is a specialist not a special player. He should be traded ASAP if the right package comes along. The problem is his value probably stinks now because other teams scouting departments will know he is too small to play defense in this league outside of protected third pairing minutes.

Weber Jones and Klein are all right handed defensemen. Ellis is the odd man out. Both he, and Gill, should be moved by the end of the offseason if Poile is managing his assets wisely.

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Ellis is a specialist not a special player. He should be traded ASAP if the right package comes along. The problem is his value probably stinks now because other teams scouting departments will know he is too small to play defense in this league outside of protected third pairing minutes.

Weber Jones and Klein are all right handed defensemen. Ellis is the odd man out. Both he, and Gill, should be moved by the end of the offseason if Poile is managing his assets wisely.
did you miss the part about Jones playing the left side or just not want to hear it yesterday?

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So let's take that and the SK, Blum and Halischuk statements and try to guess our roster, before adding a fa or trade.

Forsberg-Fisher-Wilson
Beck-Legwand-Bourque
Smith-Spaling-Hornqvist
Clune-Gaustad/Watson-Leipsic

Weber-Josi
Klein-Jones
Ekholm-Bartley
Gill

Rinne
???
the forwards are bad. we will be picking top 10 with those forwards.

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did you miss the part about Jones playing the left side or just not want to hear it yesterday?
still doesn't change the fact poile needs to be getting rid of defenseman fast.. lol

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the forwards are bad. we will be picking top 10 with those forwards.
Depends on how Beck and Forsberg perform but mostly, I agree.

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