HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Notices

Will all 4 RFA's get resigned

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
07-01-2013, 03:38 PM
  #26
M Gaz
Who needs a captain?
 
M Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 1,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundsanity30 View Post
I'll still go on record and say the RFAs will not get as much as been speculated. Look at Del Zotto, 2.5M and he was coming off a 40+ point +20 season when defensemen are in HIGH demand.

If there is one thing Sather is great at, its signing his RFAs.
Yeah Glen likes to play hardball with them too, so we could see both Step and Mac getting less than $4M per.

M Gaz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 03:39 PM
  #27
Calad
Section 422
 
Calad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 937
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NashtyAttack View Post
He only played 2 NHL games in 10-11, so he didn't burn the first year of his ELC.
Right that much I'm aware of, but I thought the contract only slides if they go back down to juniors and not the AHL? Also i thought there was a deadline during the year where they couldn't play any more games as he was called up around the trade deadline in the 10-11 season


Last edited by Calad: 07-01-2013 at 03:39 PM. Reason: forgot to quote!
Calad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 03:42 PM
  #28
M Gaz
Who needs a captain?
 
M Gaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 1,402
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calad View Post
Right that much I'm aware of, but I thought the contract only slides if they go back down to juniors and not the AHL? Also i thought there was a deadline during the year where they couldn't play any more games as he was called up around the trade deadline in the 10-11 season
I'm not sure entirely. All I know is that there is a limit on how many games a player on an ELC can play with the big club before they burn the first year.

M Gaz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 03:48 PM
  #29
Lundsanity30
Registered User
 
Lundsanity30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 9,097
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NashtyAttack View Post
Yeah Glen likes to play hardball with them too, so we could see both Step and Mac getting less than $4M per.
Callahan when he signed his was eligible for arbitration as well wasnt he? and he only got 4M which is pretty damn good for a 2nd liner when 3rd liners are making that.

Lundsanity30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 03:48 PM
  #30
broadwayblue
Registered User
 
broadwayblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: NYC
Country: United States
Posts: 15,069
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KreidertheGlider View Post
Honestly, I would rather have Lacavalier than Richards.

Lecavalier
Brassard
Stepan
Boyle

is much better than

Stepan
Brassard
Richards
Boyle


There are other options too. Doesn't have to be Lecavalier.

I hope AV plays a rookie as our 3rd line center and moves Richards to wing.

xxxx - Stepan - xxxx
Richards- Brassard - xxxx
xxxx - Lindberg - xxxx
xxxx - Boyle - xxxx

----------------------------------

Back on topic, yes, I think we sign all of our RFAs.
Yes, but essentially Richards is on a 1 year deal (assuming he doesn't get injured) and VL will likely be interested in a longer contract. Vinny has been banged up in recent years, and while I agree that I'd gladly swap him for Brad for this year, I'm not so sure I want him for more than a 2 or 3 year deal at this point in his career.

broadwayblue is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 03:49 PM
  #31
Calad
Section 422
 
Calad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Long Island
Country: United States
Posts: 937
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NashtyAttack View Post
I'm not sure entirely. All I know is that there is a limit on how many games a player on an ELC can play with the big club before they burn the first year.
That number is 9, I'm just unsure on the details of the clause as well. Who is our resident CBA expert?

Calad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 03:49 PM
  #32
Lundsanity30
Registered User
 
Lundsanity30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 9,097
vCash: 500
Richards will outperform Lecavalier this season. mark it down.

Lundsanity30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:15 PM
  #33
Machinehead
Richards Supporter
 
Machinehead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: New York New York
Country: United States
Posts: 31,354
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundsanity30 View Post
Richards will outperform Lecavalier this season. mark it down.
You're underrating Lecavalier. He's still a legit 1b center. Just wasn't worth 7.7M.

__________________
Machinehead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:26 PM
  #34
Lundsanity30
Registered User
 
Lundsanity30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 9,097
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Machinehead View Post
You're underrating Lecavalier. He's still a legit 1b center. Just wasn't worth 7.7M.
I understand that, and I know he's still a good player, but Richards was better in the last 3 years, the first 2 by a wide margin. It has nothing to do with underrated Lecavalier, Richards will be better.

Lundsanity30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:28 PM
  #35
azaloum90
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,733
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calad View Post
Right that much I'm aware of, but I thought the contract only slides if they go back down to juniors and not the AHL? Also i thought there was a deadline during the year where they couldn't play any more games as he was called up around the trade deadline in the 10-11 season
AHL counts as well. Any team except for the NHL team itself.

azaloum90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:30 PM
  #36
azaloum90
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,733
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calad View Post
That number is 9, I'm just unsure on the details of the clause as well. Who is our resident CBA expert?
I believe it's 10 for a full season, 6 for a shortened 48 game season.

azaloum90 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:30 PM
  #37
stan the caddy
Registered User
 
stan the caddy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,390
vCash: 500
Depends where Vinny ends up. Have to remember that he was playing in Guy Boucher's run and gun odd man rush system which is great for your point totals, bad for the goalie.

stan the caddy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:35 PM
  #38
Lundsanity30
Registered User
 
Lundsanity30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 9,097
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by stan the caddy View Post
Depends where Vinny ends up. Have to remember that he was playing in Guy Boucher's run and gun odd man rush system which is great for your point totals, bad for the goalie.
well this is true, if he ends up on Chicago he might out perform Richards

anyway back on topic, I hope sather can get the RFAs done for less than people think to give us some cap room

Lundsanity30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:42 PM
  #39
Florida Ranger
Bring back Torts!
 
Florida Ranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Tampa, FLA
Country: United States
Posts: 5,828
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by stan the caddy View Post
Depends where Vinny ends up. Have to remember that he was playing in Guy Boucher's run and gun odd man rush system which is great for your point totals, bad for the goalie.
Lecavalier had his best years under Tortorella - a coach who supposedly chokes out offense. But to be fair, Lecavalier wasn't the same since he separated his shoulder in 08 - Tortorella's last year as Tampa's coach. He was just an animal prior to that. He's not that dynamic, but he's a great second line center, solid on the PP, mediocre defensively. After signing our RFA's, I can't see how we can fit Lecavalier in whether we trade a couple of defenseman for cheap players.

Florida Ranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:44 PM
  #40
Lundsanity30
Registered User
 
Lundsanity30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 9,097
vCash: 500
I heard he wants 5 years, I'd stay away for that

Lundsanity30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-01-2013, 04:49 PM
  #41
GAGLine
Registered User
 
GAGLine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 8,562
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Calad View Post
Right that much I'm aware of, but I thought the contract only slides if they go back down to juniors and not the AHL? Also i thought there was a deadline during the year where they couldn't play any more games as he was called up around the trade deadline in the 10-11 season
ELCs slide in the AHL if the player is under 20. Animisov and Grachev both played in the AHL at 19. Both of their contracts slid.

18 and 19 year olds have to play 10 NHL games in order to burn a year off the ELC. Playing in the AHL doesn't count. Once the player turns 20, any professional play (NHL, AHL, ECHL) counts as a year off the ELC.

Miller played in the AHL this year as a 19 year old, but he played enough NHL games to burn a year off his contract.

The deadline is just for playing in the playoffs, but that only has to do with players not on the team's reserved list. Moore was under contract, so that limit doesn't apply.

GAGLine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-02-2013, 07:22 AM
  #42
Gardner McKay
Hey Hey...
 
Gardner McKay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Abingdon, VA
Country: United States
Posts: 8,868
vCash: 690
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lundsanity30 View Post
Richards will outperform Lecavalier this season. mark it down.
Avatar bet? If so pm me.

__________________
"Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear or a fool from any direction."
Gardner McKay is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-02-2013, 08:51 AM
  #43
Glennsoe
Horndog
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Country: Norway
Posts: 3,742
vCash: 500
If it's posted already, then I'm sorry if I wasted your time;


http://snyrangersblog.com/2012-13-pl...ers-qualified/

Quote:
Pat Leonard writes in the Daily News that the Rangers have decided not to send a qualifying offer to Michael Sauer.

Sauer will now be a UFA.

Leonard notes that the Rangers have sent qualifying offers to Justin Falk, Derek Stepan, Carl Hagelin, Ryan McDonagh and Mats Zuccarello.

Zuccarello’s qualifying offer is $735,000.
McDonagh’s qualifying offer is $826,875
Stepan’s qualifying offer is 826,875
Hagelin’s qualifying offer is $660,000
Falk’s qualifying offer is $866,250
The Rangers retain the rights to all of the players that they have qualified.

The deadline to qualify players is tomorrow.

Glennsoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2013, 11:03 PM
  #44
Stepanformayor*
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 581
vCash: 500
With only $11.1 million left, without a big trade they can not sign all 5 guys. There is a big splash coming or we lose at least 2 RFA'S.

Stepanformayor* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-05-2013, 11:25 PM
  #45
NYRFAN218
Brass God
 
NYRFAN218's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 11,447
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stepanformayor View Post
With only $11.1 million left, without a big trade they can not sign all 5 guys. There is a big splash coming or we lose at least 2 RFA'S.
Uhhhhhh, what?

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.325m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.000m) / Derek Stepan ($4.000m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.300m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.250m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Dominic Moore ($1.000m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
Darroll Powe ($1.067m) / Taylor Pyatt ($1.550m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($5.000m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
Justin Falk ($0.866m) /
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,322,917; BONUSES: $762,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster):- $1,260,417

That team is over by $1,260,417 and that's with 15 forwards on the roster. I gave Mac, Step, and Hags either what they're expected to get or the higher end of the spectrum and Zuc's 1.25 is based on what Brooks speculated. Get rid of two of Asham/Pyatt/Powe and you're within the cap with an extra forward and defenseman to spare. You also have to realize you can go over the cap by 10% in the summer which is even more of a reason the Rangers aren't losing anyone.

__________________
http://hfboards.com/image.php?u=53946&type=sigpic&dateline=1320361610
NYRFAN218 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
07-06-2013, 11:33 AM
  #46
Stepanformayor*
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 581
vCash: 500
It's being reported every where that they only have 11.1 left to sign 5 RFA'S. they are all saying Sather has opened the Rangers up to offer sheets on Mac and Step!

Stepanformayor* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-06-2013, 11:36 AM
  #47
Clowes Line
Cally's Chicken Parm
 
Clowes Line's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: New Yawk
Country: United States
Posts: 12,544
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stepanformayor View Post
It's being reported every where that they only have 11.1 left to sign 5 RFA'S. they are all saying Sather has opened the Rangers up to offer sheets on Mac and Step!
That's not including the Asham and Powe going bye-bye. They have 13+ million in cap space, plus the 10% cushion during the summer. They'll be just fine.

__________________
Jaime Lannister has better hands than Brian Boyle.
Clowes Line is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-06-2013, 11:37 AM
  #48
Tawnos
Moderator
 
Tawnos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Charlotte, NC
Country: United States
Posts: 10,023
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stepanformayor View Post
It's being reported every where that they only have 11.1 left to sign 5 RFA'S. they are all saying Sather has opened the Rangers up to offer sheets on Mac and Step!
They're all wrong. No understanding of the summer cap. Rangers have $16m to sign their guys. If there are offer sheets, the resources exist to match. You can figure out the details on roster moves for the season cap later.

Tawnos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-06-2013, 11:39 AM
  #49
CM PUNK
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 3,213
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clowes Line View Post
That's not including the Asham and Powe going bye-bye. They have 13+ million in cap space, plus the 10% cushion during the summer. They'll be just fine.
except asham and powe didn't go bye bye they are still here

CM PUNK is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
07-06-2013, 11:44 AM
  #50
NYRFAN218
Brass God
 
NYRFAN218's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Country: United States
Posts: 11,447
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CM PUNK View Post
except asham and powe didn't go bye bye they are still here
You could dump them both in the minors and take a cap hit of 75K on Asham and just under 142K for Powe. Getting rid of them really isn't an issue.

NYRFAN218 is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:40 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.