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07-01-2013, 10:46 PM
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Even if the cap stays the same, your argument is whacko.
I was trying to make a point.

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Exactly my point that's why we can't tie up one player with a max contract no matter how good he is.
Who said anything about a max contract? We're talking about 7.X per year for our franchise player. That's millions below max.

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I think we're probably talking closer to $8 million/year.

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I think we're probably talking closer to $8 million/year.
Not sure the first digit is an 8...but yeah, it could be 7.7. Although I don't think it goes above 7.5 unless it's a shorter deal.

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Not sure the first digit is an 8...but yeah, it could be 7.7. Although I don't think it goes above 7.5 unless it's a shorter deal.
Sather has always been very generous with Lundqvist, so I really don't know. Sure we'll find out soon enough.

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Exactly my point that's why we can't tie up one player with a max contract no matter how good he is.
I agree that he isn't worth the max contract, but have there been any media mentioning that he's going to even make remotely anything close to that? I'm probably the biggest Lundqvist apologist here, but even I admit it would be dumb to give him the max 12mil.

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Who said anything about a max contract? We're talking about 7.X per year for our franchise player. That's millions below max.
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I think we're probably talking closer to $8 million/year.
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Not sure the first digit is an 8...but yeah, it could be 7.7. Although I don't think it goes above 7.5 unless it's a shorter deal.
I think we could all live with those above mentioned numbers.

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I agree that he isn't worth the max contract, but have there been any media mentioning that he's going to even make remotely anything close to that? I'm probably the biggest Lundqvist apologist here, but even I admit it would be dumb to give him the max 12mil.
Than we agree.

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07-02-2013, 05:24 PM
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RT @NYDNRangers: Lundqvist reps and #NYR have met to discuss a contract extension already, and have plans to meet again.
Not surprising. All other contender teams already have goalies locked up, there's simply no other place for him to go to. Expecting 6-8 yrs with $7.0-7.5m avg.

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07-02-2013, 07:18 PM
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Not surprising. All other contender teams already have goalies locked up, there's simply no other place for him to go to. Expecting 6-8 yrs with $7.0-7.5m avg.
There's always a place to go...plus he's not a UFA until next summer.

That said, I still think he wants to be in NY, and a deal looks something like this...

6yrs - 8M avg
7yrs - 7.5M avg
8yrs - 7M avg

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07-10-2013, 06:30 PM
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Not surprising. All other contender teams already have goalies locked up, there's simply no other place for him to go to. Expecting 6-8 yrs with $7.0-7.5m avg.
With Rask getting $7 million a year for 8 years, you can guarantee Lundqvist is going to get more money. I'd lean on the $7.5 million a year. 500k isn't a whole lot more, but Lundqvist is better than Rask. I wouldn't be shocked if he got $8 million.

I say 6 years/$45 million.

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He's the best goalie in hockey and rask just got 56M over 8 years I believe? IIRC.. I dont think Hank will get 8 years, but he will definitely get more than Rask AAV as well he should.

6 years 48M.. 8M AAV

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With Rask getting $7 million a year for 8 years, you can guarantee Lundqvist is going to get more money. I'd lean on the $7.5 million a year. 500k isn't a whole lot more, but Lundqvist is better than Rask. I wouldn't be shocked if he got $8 million.

I say 6 years/$45 million.
Rask is also younger. If Hank is getting 8 years he shouldn't get a dime more than Rask.

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He's the best goalie in hockey and rask just got 56M over 8 years I believe? IIRC.. I dont think Hank will get 8 years, but he will definitely get more than Rask AAV as well he should.

6 years 48M.. 8M AAV
I'd be okay with that.

Fair value. After the six years, asess what route to take and see where Hank's play is at. I think 5 or 6 years is a perfect amount.

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Rask is also younger. If Hank is getting 8 years he shouldn't get a dime more than Rask.
I agree. But with the cap eventually going up, I don't think it'd be that much of a big deal.

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I agree. But with the cap eventually going up, I don't think it'd be that much of a big deal.
I'm not willing to bet the future of the team on a maybe like that.

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I'm not willing to bet the future of the team on a maybe like that.
It's pretty much a sure thing the cap is going up. But, how many years before Hank's play plateaus or begins to decline? I think we can all agree that will be less than 9 years from now.

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How many more years will Lundqvist likely be a top tier goalie? These things need to be considered when deciding on term and salary.

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How many more years will Lundqvist likely be a top tier goalie? These things need to be considered when deciding on term and salary.
Difficult to say, but I agree this needs to be factored in. They cannot pay Hank like he will be a top goalie for the next nine years...because he won't be. How many years less than nine is open to debate.

So Sather either has to give Hank the maximum length contract at a lower amount, or give him a shorter contract at top dollar.

Giving him a huge cap hit for max years would be a disaster waiting to hit us down the road.

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Rask is also younger. If Hank is getting 8 years he shouldn't get a dime more than Rask.
agreed with this. 8 years 7 shud be the most. that will take henke til hes 40 years old. ur not paying a 40 year old 7m per so the contract on the back end shud reflect that henke wont be in prime years like rask will be.

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And remember, you can't shelter an ineffective goalie in the lineup. They're either the starter or the back-up. In five years, if Lundqvist doesn't "have it" anymore, we might have an untradable $7m back-up. The Rangers need to be very careful here.

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But what's more striking about this is that teams are now paying elite goaltenders like they do elite forwards, which is something we haven't really seen before with a few exceptions. Most notable of these is Ward, whose $6.3 million cap hit was more ludicrous then than it is today, and that's saying something. Goaltenders tended to get something more akin to what good second-line forwards pulled, as well as non-elite No. 1 defensemen.
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This is the way the world is headed, and it's as simple as that. Expectations that the cap will continue to rise into the $80 million range within the next three or four seasons will make these a little easier to bear, but you have to imagine Henrik Lundqvist, who's currently 31, is looking at these Rask and Rinne deals and imagining which borough of New York he'll buy when his extension comes in.

He has a far better and longer track record than the two previous big-money goalies and, despite his age, is likely a far more crucial part of the Rangers going forward than either of the guys to whom his agent will be comparing him in negotiations with rubber-stampin' Glen Sather. That's especially true because he'll be living under a much larger cap than the one currently in place, potentially as much as 10 percent higher, in fact.

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Probably not going to happen, but what about a 5 year extension at 9M or 10M per year? It sounds crazy, but wouldn't that kind of deal make sense for both sides? It would take him to age 36 and he should (hopefully) still be a very good goalie at that time. The cap is expected to go up in the next year or so, making the high salary doable.

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Probably not going to happen, but what about a 5 year extension at 9M or 10M per year? It sounds crazy, but wouldn't that kind of deal make sense for both sides? It would take him to age 36 and he should (hopefully) still be a very good goalie at that time. The cap is expected to go up in the next year or so, making the high salary doable.
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I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where Hank doesn't ask for at least 7 years.

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I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where Hank doesn't ask for at least 7 years.
I dont know, 9M per is a huge number, and if he wants to then he can retire after that contract which would make him 37.

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