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07-01-2013, 10:40 PM
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I'd prefer Clarkson to Horton. The last 2 years Clarkson has been just as good as Horton and if anything is steadily improving. Horton has kind of leveled off. I'd stay away from both these guys though, someone will likely pay them over 5 mil a season, and I do not want that to be us. A 4 year 22 million dollar deal could really hurt keeping our own guys. If we're shelling out 5+ million a year, I'd like someone a bit better coming back. And really Penner could do almost as much as Clarkson or Horton and fits in at LW.

Lander I'd prefer in the NHL. Sure he needs to get his offense on track but realistically we don't need offense from him, we need him to improve more on defense, PK, and faceoffs. I think playing a consistent 3rd/4th line role would help his development tremendously

As for a goalie, if we can get someone for less then 2 mil, I'm fine with that. Khudobin I bet gets more, Labarberra I think is a possibility. Just with backup goalies, I'd tend to think they'd resign with their own teams since they'd likely get the same $ offer and would still be a backup here.
I don't think we can say Clarkson is improving. He had one big year, followed by a regression to slightly above his average season. I think he's taken a step, but I don't think we can expect this player to continue developing.

Nor should we consider Horton or Clarkson to keep developing. These are prime-aged players, who will most likely have plateaued offensively. With Horton, his plateau is higher than Clarkson, and more sustainable. In my first post, I pointed out Horton's offensive consistency. Yeah if someone paid them more than $5M I wouldn't go near them. My max offers were both < $5M IIRC.

That's expecting Penner returns to something close to his 09-10 form, which is not a sure thing.

In the AHL, Lander would be getting more faceoffs as a #2C as opposed to a #4C in the NHL, play more minutes on the PK, and be counted on in important defensive situations. In The NHL, he'd play 10 minutes a night (at most) be a 5/6 PKer, and get stapled to the bench with a one goal lead.

I think AHL is the right move until we can reasonably say "We don't need Boyd Gordon, Lander can do all those things pretty well"

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Mact needs to read this thread. Great posts guys.

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Mact needs to read this thread. Great posts guys.
I'll be honest... I hope that MacT doesn't get a single idea from this board.

Man, could you even imagine? We'd be trading all of our roster players for picks and prospects... and we'd trade those prospects away before they made big money.

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I'll be honest... I hope that MacT doesn't get a single idea from this board.

Man, could you even imagine? We'd be trading all of our roster players for picks and prospects... and we'd trade those prospects away before they made big money.
This thread isn't too crazy, lots of practical posts instead of a bunch of absurd fantasy trades. These are the UFA's we need to target, old MacT better be thinking along the same lines as posters here.

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Nystrom, Khudobin, Ference, Chipchura, Laich. Must get at least three and Khudobin isn't optional. Something makes me think Philly will throw stupid money at Khudobin though.

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Can't believe I'm seeing some people mention Lapierre. Want no ****ing part of this kind of players. And no, let's not classify them as "tough/hate to play against type player" with character and such. Little to no honour or integrity in his game. Just a weasel, **** him.

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Can't believe I'm seeing some people mention Lapierre. Want no ****ing part of this kind of players. And no, let's not classify them as "tough/hate to play against type player" with character and such. Little to no honour or integrity in his game. Just a weasel, **** him.
What's the problem with his character? Is he bad in the room? Teammates don't like him? When has he hurt the team he's playing for? How will this lack of honour/integrity stop us from winning games?

He seems to be pretty hated by opposing players. If he was just some useless plug, no one would hate playing against him because it was easy playing against him. He's not my first choice as a FA #4C (Boyd Gordon = #1) but I'd have no problem with him playing for the Oilers.

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Nystrom, Khudobin, Ference, Chipchura, Laich. Must get at least three and Khudobin isn't optional. Something makes me think Philly will throw stupid money at Khudobin though.
I don't get what's with the Chipchura love-in. He's been sub 50% in the dot the last 3 years and did not PK at all for PHX last year. Gordon is by far the superior player, but because of their role (#4C) there will not be a significant financial difference.

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I'd obviously like Lecavalier but don't believe it's realistic. The following we might not be able to get either but their is a chance:

A. Ference - #4-5 dmen
Lapierre - 4th line C
B. Gordon - 3rd line C
Clowe - 2nd/3rd line W
1 more winger - open to anyone.
That's actually pretty realistic.
Most realistic so far.

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That's actually pretty realistic.
Most realistic so far.
It's pretty good, I just think Clowe's going to be very overpaid, and Ference is not needed in Edmonton at the pricetag he will demand

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I don't get what's with the Chipchura love-in. He's been sub 50% in the dot the last 3 years and did not PK at all for PHX last year. Gordon is by far the superior player, but because of their role (#4C) there will not be a significant financial difference.
Gordon is going to look for a 3C role and 3C money. With VAN waiving Ballard, they will have the cap space and roster spot to give him both if he doesn't find it in EDM or PHX.

And BTW, he has more offense to his skill set (no shot but can see the ice and pass the puck real well) than the stats indicate. Boyd simply chooses to use that hockey sense to be d-first. He is a PK machine for a reason.

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Gordon is going to look for a 3C role and 3C money. VAN waiving Ballard will have the cap space and roster spot to give him both if he doesn't find it in EDM or PHX.

And BTW, he has more offense to his skill set (no shot but can see the ice and pass the puck real well) than the stats indicate. Boyd simply chooses to use that hockey sense to be d-first.
Fair enough, we'll see come July 5th, but IMO Gordon doesn't bring enough to be a good #3C. If he's looking for that kinda money, then sign me up for Lapierre.

RE: Chipchura

I haven't seen enough of Chipchura to evaluate his vision/passing, but if he did possess these attributes and use them as and O-First player you'd be surprised to hear the last time he cracked 40 pts was as a 20 year old in the WHL, and hasn't cracked 30 since the AHL in 2008-09. He posts a worse Corsi number than Gordon, albeit marginally. In a #4 C I want a player who uses their tools to be a D-First kind of player. You're not going to make a difference as a fourth liner by scoring a lot, so you better make sure you keep it out of your net.

I don't dislike Chipchura as a player, he's actually got decent numbers for his role. I just prefer Gordon and Lapierre.

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What about Schuderi to play with J. Schultz. I see players like Horton, Clarkson, and Clowe staying in the Eastern conference. I am ok with going with the following top 6.
Hall; RNH; Yak
PRV; Gagner; Eberle

It is the bottom 6 that we need to improve especially in the FO%. If we get a better dman to play with J.Schultz it will be a nice start.

What about Dubuis he has size, plays both wings?
Rozsival would be a good addition for a year or two max on defense also.

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Fair enough, we'll see come July 5th, but IMO Gordon doesn't bring enough to be a good #3C. If he's looking for that kinda money, then sign me up for Lapierre.

RE: Chipchura

I haven't seen enough of Chipchura to evaluate his vision/passing, but if he did possess these attributes and use them as and O-First player you'd be surprised to hear the last time he cracked 40 pts was as a 20 year old in the WHL, and hasn't cracked 30 since the AHL in 2008-09. He posts a worse Corsi number than Gordon, albeit marginally. In a #4 C I want a player who uses their tools to be a D-First kind of player. You're not going to make a difference as a fourth liner by scoring a lot, so you better make sure you keep it out of your net.

I don't dislike Chipchura as a player, he's actually got decent numbers for his role. I just prefer Gordon and Lapierre.
Look at Gordon's zone starts it's barbarically tough, he's not an ideal option for the 3rd line given his limited offense, but he might be the best that is available and if we don't offer him a spot on the 3rd line I'm sure someone else will, he's a little too good to be tight cast into a 4th line role, but will leave you wanting as a 3rd line center on a good team.

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What about Schuderi to play with J. Schultz. I see players like Horton, Clarkson, and Clowe staying in the Eastern conference. I am ok with going with the following top 6.
Hall; RNH; Yak
PRV; Gagner; Eberle

It is the bottom 6 that we need to improve especially in the FO%. If we get a better dman to play with J.Schultz it will be a nice start.

What about Dubuis he has size, plays both wings?
Rozsival would be a good addition for a year or two max on defense also.
Dupuis might be available provided the Letang deal is finalized.

Would he sign here? idk

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Heres mine (emphasis on grit):

$15.78m: 1ST LINE
$6.00M Hall,6'1-193
$3.78M RNH,6'0-185
$6.00M Ebs,5'11-180
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$11.28M: 2ND LINE
$2.00M MPS 6'3-215
$5.50M Gags,5'11-205
$3.78M Yak,5'11-190
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$8.75M: 3RD LINE
$3.25M Morrow,5'11-210 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sod125xJERI
$3.00M Antropov,6'6-240 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_b_0-DYjZg
$2.5M Stalberg,6'3-210 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OpGUKnSpRE

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$2.98M: 4TH LINE
$1.25M Lapierre,6'2-207 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqVmnzOVmh0
$1.00M Smithson,6'3-209
$0.73M Brown,5'11-205
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+$.175M Ben Eager Buried
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$38.97M Total Forwards Cost
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$5.25M: 1ST LINE D
$3.50M Smid,6'3-210
$1.75M Petry,6'3-205
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$5.5M: 2ND LINE D
$2.25M Ference,5'11-189 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw-4OWHYwMs
$2.25M Corvo,6'0-204 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNHUbQQNvC0
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$05.78M: 3RD LINE D
$2.00M Fistric,6'2-233
$3.78M J.Schultz,6'2-185
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$15.53M Total Defense Cost
---

$3.50M Dubnyk
$3.00M Nabakov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBu8czWtIY
$6.5M Goaltenders Total Cost
---
$64.3M NHL Salary Cap 2013/2014
$61M Total Team Salary:
+$3.3M Cap Space
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Bought out: Horcoff, Belanger
Traded: N.Schultz, Hemsky, Potter
Retire: Smyth

Extras:
Lander, Petrell, Belov, Klefbom

Wait till trade deadline and pick up a Pending UFA


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$15.78m: 1ST LINE
$6.00M Hall,6'1-193
$3.78M RNH,6'0-185
$6.00M Ebs,5'11-180
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$11.28M: 2ND LINE
$2.00M MPS 6'3-215
$5.50M Gags,5'11-205
$3.78M Yak,5'11-190
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$7.23M: 3RD LINE
$3.25M Morrow,5'11-210
$3.00M Antropov,6'6-240
$0.73M Brown,5'11-250
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$3M: 4TH LINE
$1.00M Labrie,6'2-220
$1.00M Smithson,6'3-209
$1.00M McGratton,6'4-235
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+$175M Ben Eager Buried
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$37.65M Total Forwards Cost
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$5.25m: 1ST LINE D
$3.5MSmid
$1.75M Petry
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$6.03m: 2ND LINE D
$2.25M) Ference
$3.78M J.Schultz
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$04.25m: 2ND LINE D
$2.0M Fistric
$2.25M Corvo
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$15.53M Total Defense Cost
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$3.50M Dubnyk
$3.00M Nabakov
$6.5M Goaltenders Total Cost
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$64.3M NHL Salary Cap 2013/2014
$59.68M Total Team Salary:
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Bought out: Horcoff, Belanger
Traded: N.Schultz, Hemsky, Potter: Draft Picks/Prospects
Retire: Smyth

Wait till trade deadline and pick up a UFA
And there it is.

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Jagr. He played well in the playoffs just couldn't buy a goal. He is a big body top six vet with great work ethic.

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Nystrom would be a good bottom 6 and he can drop the mitts too.

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reading over the posts (i haven't checked the FA list in depth myself...not much time on my hands ) ) - I really don't like the idea of paying someone like Clarkson 4 mill a year...To me it smells a bit too much like the Horcoff deal...top six money for bottom six performance.

I have always wanted Matt Cullen on our team. he is the perfect 3C in my books, and would bring absolutely everything the Oilers need - faceoffs, bottom six scoring (how many times did he burn the oilers over the years), PK, leadership. We could have him for 3 Mill per if we offer a few years and he would be the best bang for buck out of all the players listed.
Moen intrigues me as well. He has presence and is cheap. enough said.
The other one is Clarke MacArthur. He could add something to our bottom six and provide secondary scoring.
With those three, we would spend less than 8 mill per year and improve our bottom 6 drastically.
I think the real money should be allocated where it is needed the most - 1D
This is where I would look at someone like Tomas Kaberle. The pickings in the UFA list are slim and he is the only one that has demonstrated in the past that he is truly a 1D. Give him a 2 (max 3) year deal of 4 mil per year and let him show Schultz how to become the team's go to guy.
So for 4 players - lets say 12 mill. per year...average 3 mill per person...quite economical if you ask me when I compare what we could get from a Clarkson for 4 mill per...

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If we traded Nick Schultz, I wouldn't mind Keith Ballard on a cheap deal for the 3rd pairing. Canucks fans say he's a lot better than his stats suggest and Alain Vigneault was the reason why he hardly played. Canucks fans think he's better.

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Heres mine (emphasis on grit):

$15.78m: 1ST LINE
$6.00M Hall,6'1-193
$3.78M RNH,6'0-185
$6.00M Ebs,5'11-180
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$11.28M: 2ND LINE
$2.00M MPS 6'3-215
$5.50M Gags,5'11-205
$3.78M Yak,5'11-190
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$7.23M: 3RD LINE
$3.25M Morrow,5'11-210 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sod125xJERI
$3.00M Antropov,6'6-240 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_b_0-DYjZg
$0.73M Brown,5'11-205
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$3M: 4TH LINE
$1.00M Labrie,6'2-220 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWGBKMlECvY
$1.00M Smithson,6'3-209
$1.00M McGratton,6'4-235 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdQhNAYLT-0
---
+$.175M Ben Eager Buried
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$37.65M Total Forwards Cost
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$5.25M: 1ST LINE D
$3.50M Smid,6'3-210
$1.75M Petry,6'3-205
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$5.5M: 2ND LINE D
$2.25M Ference,5'11-189 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw-4OWHYwMs
$2.25M Corvo,6'0-204 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNHUbQQNvC0
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$05.78M: 3RD LINE D
$2.00M Fistric,6'2-233
$3.78M J.Schultz,6'2-185
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$15.53M Total Defense Cost
---

$3.50M Dubnyk
$3.00M Nabakov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBBu8czWtIY
$6.5M Goaltenders Total Cost
---
$64.3M NHL Salary Cap 2013/2014
$59.68M Total Team Salary:
+$4.62M Cap Space
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Bought out: Horcoff, Belanger
Traded: N.Schultz, Hemsky, Potter
Retire: Smyth

Extras:
Lander, Petrell, Belov, Klefbom

Wait till trade deadline and pick up a Pending UFA
traded for who? at least two would garner one roster player each. which are they?

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If we traded Nick Schultz, I wouldn't mind Keith Ballard on a cheap deal for the 3rd pairing. Canucks fans say he's a lot better than his stats suggest and Alain Vigneault was the reason why he hardly played. Canucks fans think he's better.
He is better...and better than a 3rd pairing defenseman. not 1st but...2nd pairing for sure. Vancouver has so many defensemen of the same level, he just got chosen by AV to be the spectator because he was too similar to Hamhuis.

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A couple of guys who can really help this team..

Nik Antropov on the third line. He's hard to play against because of his reach and size. He's nothing special but he brings another element. He's learned to play with a lot of poise and smarts. He'll still net 12-17 goals and kill penalties. Not the greatest on draws but overall a good addition

Trade for Carlo Colaiacovo... Before you go nuts, he'd be a great depth addition. People dont give D away but Detroit needs to move a player or two. He's a guy who can legitimately play top 4 minutes or if he's injured all the time again, they'll still get half a season of a guy who is a great bottom pairing guy. He's a groove type D. The more he plays, the better he plays. He played very well for Detroit in the playoffs.

Rob Scuderi is going to get a ton of offers. With the Oilers not being a preferred destination, the odds are probably against it. If they make an effort, that's what should count. The UFA market is weak to say the least. Scuderi is gonna get paid. Probably to much.

Jordon Leopold might be a guy that's really worth a contract. He hasnt been great the last couple of years but he can bring some experience and play both sides if need be.

Adam Pardy might be worth a look. He has these great runs and then craps out but he might be one of those guys who when he finds his spot, he might stick for a few years. A good depth signing.

Brayden Coburn would be a great addition. Just not for the price Philly has been asking. He's not all that to say the least. He's being overblown. I honestly think Id rather the Oilers make a play on Demers from San Jose who might very well be available. I'd much rather give up the pieces to get Coburn to get Demers instead.

Trade for Jordon Tootoo... I know it's been discussed but he'll put a fire under guys and he'll chip in a goal here and there.

Sign Mason Raymond... He is what he is.

if they were to sign Raymond, Tootoo and Antropov that would add a nice line that makes things harder on other teams. Then acquire one top 4 guy and a depth guy like Coloiacovo or Leopold they'd have had a pretty good offseason. Whether Nurse can play or not shouldnt matter. Dont expect it. If they were to get a Klesla, Coburn or Demers, that is a great step in the right direction.

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traded for who? at least two would garner one roster player each. which are they?
prospects and picks would be nice. If not possible then a Ference Replacement. I edited my selections a bit since labrie was signed.. dropped brown to 4th and grabbed lapierre, then grabb stalberg for 3rd line.


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