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07-01-2013, 07:27 PM
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huge change from the days of only needing 1 assistant coach cause we don't teach anything lol

what was his reputation as an assistant? and hopefully he came highly recommended by our columbus crew that played under him
There was a pretty significant rift between him and Brassard. Hopefully they can put that to bed.

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Samuelsson is an experienced coach. One year as an assistant coach with the Pack. Five years as an associate coach with PHX. Three years with Gretzky and two years with Tippett. Two years at Modo. TGO was a teammate in New York. Tippett was a teammate with the Whalers. He will handle the D and PK.

Newell Brown looks like he will be joining AV with the Rangers. Brown will run the PP
Messier should try getting some
Coaching experience this way. Thinks he is all that and does not need to put in the time.

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Coaching experience this way. Thinks he is all that and does not need to put in the time.
How many times does it need to be said that Sather asked Messier to put his name into the hat?

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Didnt like his style as a player, Matt Cooke of the 90s. But maybe he is a good coach.
Matt Cooke of the 90's? It was a completely different game then. Sure he was dirty, but Cooke is head and shoulders above anyone else in the league these days.

Teams needed guys like Ulf back in the day. It's not like nowadays where those guys don't exist.

His style was exciting and he was a very popular Ranger.

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Not sure if it was mentioned anywhere but Newell Brown won a Memorial Cup in 1979-80 with Scott Arniel.

So theres a connection there.

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Matt Cooke of the 90's? It was a completely different game then. Sure he was dirty, but Cooke is head and shoulders above anyone else in the league these days.

Teams needed guys like Ulf back in the day. It's not like nowadays where those guys don't exist.

His style was exciting and he was a very popular Ranger.
Regarding Ulf, this nails it.

Ulf played at the heights of the obstruction era. He was one of the meanest, but he had plenty company.
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Not sure if it was mentioned anywhere but Newell Brown won a Memorial Cup in 1979-80 with Scott Arniel.

So theres a connection there.
It will be great to have a full staff on this team agaiin.

What is worth pointing out about Sullivan BTW---and I don't know how many out there realized it---is that Sullivan coached D but never played it.

So for those who want the Rangers' blueline to use their size & get their shots to hit the net more consistently etc., you will likely get your wish.

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Don't like that Arniel will be joining the staff. He effectively almost killed Brassard's career in Columbus. Brassard comes here and plays like a new player. Now he has to deal with the very guy that almost ruined him again? Don't like it one bit.

Love that Ulfie and likely Brown will be on the staff though.

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Sather and Gorton have discussed the possible assistant coaches with AV. If there was a serious issue between Brassard and Arniel,the Rangers brass has looked into it. Maybe they are satisfied it's not a major issue. Management is involved in the process of hiring the assistants too.

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Now that Samuelsson is on board it got me thinking. Leech is with the organization, does between periods interviews and such. But does he help out on the ice in practice? Does he work with the D? Give input and so forth. Anyone know?

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I'm sure AV will have his say, but you're right, it's ultimately management's decision.

Re: Arniel and Brassard: a smart team would look into these things. With the whole Richards debacle,, though, I have little faith in this organization to practice foresight at the moment.

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I hope this doesn't mean Brown won't come.

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Cornering the assistant coach market. Can they be traded for draft picks?

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Never was a fan of having a former center coaching the defence. Sully was overrated. There's a reason he never got a HC gig after the brutal job he did with the Bruins for 2 years.

Samuelsson is a great choice for the role as he was neither a great defenceman nor was he a bum. He was a very good defenceman for many years and as a previous poster stated, his reputation has a cheap shot artist was 1000% overblown based on the Neely incident.

Samuelsson took more dirty hits than he delivered because of that reputation.

He's a guy that is going to come in and TEACH our defenceman how to play defence, from a defenceman. Learning how to play D from a center? Seriously?

Now, get the PP specialist in here to add 4-5% points to our very meager conversion rate and we should be more dangerous.

Still think our forward group is ill structured, but that's a different thread.

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Matt Cooke of the 90's? It was a completely different game then. Sure he was dirty, but Cooke is head and shoulders above anyone else in the league these days.

Teams needed guys like Ulf back in the day. It's not like nowadays where those guys don't exist.

His style was exciting and he was a very popular Ranger.
Agreed. Anyone calling him the Matt Cooke of the 90s wasn't watching hockey in the 90s. As someone else said, he had plenty of company. Rick Tocchet sez sup.

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Sullivan did a great job with the defensemen. It was the PP where he fell short.

I love that they're bringing Ulf in, as long as they bring in someone else for the PP. The Rangers could use more snarl, especially on the back-end. I think his disposition will even rub off on some of the forwards.

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I'm sure AV will have his say, but you're right, it's ultimately management's decision.

Re: Arniel and Brassard: a smart team would look into these things. With the whole Richards debacle,, though, I have little faith in this organization to practice foresight at the moment.
Where is your evidence that the team didn't do due diligence before keeping Richards? I don't see what keeping Richards has to do with hiring a coach.

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Where is your evidence that the team didn't do due diligence before keeping Richards? I don't see what keeping Richards has to do with hiring a coach.
You're twisting my words. I'm sure they did due diligence, I just disagree with how they used it to come to a conclusion on what to do with the matter.

When you make a major organizational decision, you have to look at it from all angles. If a guy you're counting on to step up and play a big role next season didn't play well under a certain coach, you have to consider it. Would Brassard and Arniel let bygones and bygones and hug it out? Or would Arniel sling Brassard's name through the mud during coaches meetings every time he makes a mistake? A lot of questions that can entirely be avoided if they just go with someone else as qualified for the job.

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You're twisting my words. I'm sure they did due diligence, I just disagree with how they used it to come to a conclusion on what to do with the matter.

When you make a major organizational decision, you have to look at it from all angles. If a guy you're counting on to step up and play a big role next season didn't play well under a certain coach, you have to consider it. Would Brassard and Arniel let bygones and bygones and hug it out? Or would Arniel sling Brassard's name through the mud during coaches meetings every time he makes a mistake? A lot of questions that can entirely be avoided if they just go with someone else as qualified for the job.
Not twisting anything. Just extrapolating a bit since you were quite vague.

I don't really see what the decision on Richards has anything to do with hiring a coach. I assume that they painstakingly talked about Richards and decided to give it another year (weighing the pros and cons). I assume they will do the same thing with the assistant coaches. I would be very surprised if they don't talk to Brassard about Arniel.

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Not twisting anything. Just extrapolating a bit since you were quite vague.

I don't really see what the decision on Richards has anything to do with hiring a coach. I assume that they painstakingly talked about Richards and decided to give it another year (weighing the pros and cons). I assume they will do the same thing with the assistant coaches. I would be very surprised if they don't talk to Brassard about Arniel.
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yeah, as long as by management you mean the single guy who made this decision, because not everybody (read: the brains in the organization) was on board with it.
I hope the brains were not only consulted but heard. I trust the due diligence was done here. When you read about Graves reaching out to Moore's juniors coach prior to the trade last year, it makes you think the homework is in fact done.

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Not twisting anything. Just extrapolating a bit since you were quite vague.

I don't really see what the decision on Richards has anything to do with hiring a coach. I assume that they painstakingly talked about Richards and decided to give it another year (weighing the pros and cons). I assume they will do the same thing with the assistant coaches. I would be very surprised if they don't talk to Brassard about Arniel.
I'll give you that my first post was a bit vague, so apologies there.

If Brassard has no problem with it, then all we can do is trust the front office's judgment. My overall point is that personally, it's hard for me to put any stock in what the front office thinks is best for the long term health of the franchise at the moment, i.e. the Richards situation.

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Arniel used to be the PP/PK coach in Buffalo. Is there any info on what he will be coaching? It looks like PP is the only thing left.

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i forget where but i read somewhere that AV likes having a guy upstairs 'eye in the sky' which implied we could even have a 3rd assistant lol
Didn't see this. If so, I'd like it. As long as we get Brown, too, anyway.


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Ulfie = Cooke? No way.

Marchment left Ulfie in the dust as far as dirty contemporaries.

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Ulf Samuelsson is in the building in Rangers' gear. So even if hiring as assistant not announced yet, that appears to be officially official
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Matt Cooke of the 90's? It was a completely different game then. Sure he was dirty, but Cooke is head and shoulders above anyone else in the league these days.

Teams needed guys like Ulf back in the day. It's not like nowadays where those guys don't exist.

His style was exciting and he was a very popular Ranger.
Agreed.

Very glad to hear Ulf is back (again) and hope he implements some grit on the back end.

Matt Cooke of 90s? LOL. That is just silly. Either someone was too young or didn't watch back then.

You want dirty? Go watch Dave Brown from Philly...

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I'll give you that my first post was a bit vague, so apologies there.

If Brassard has no problem with it, then all we can do is trust the front office's judgment. My overall point is that personally, it's hard for me to put any stock in what the front office thinks is best for the long term health of the franchise at the moment, i.e. the Richards situation.
I'm with you on this one, and I'm really worried about how the whole Arniel/Brassard thing is going to turn out. I'm sure they've talked to Brassard about it, but they're obviously not NOT gonna hire someone based on what he says the same way that Brassard won't say "If you hire him I want out".

My problem is that there's a big difference between "Oh you're hiring Arniel? Awesome!" and "Oh, you're hiring Arniel... awesome...". Paraphrasing and exaggerating of course, but Brassard would never say he don't want a certain coach here, especially since he's just been here a few months and I worry that the front office can't read between the lines.

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