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Habs draft Mike McCarron with the 25th overall pick (signs ELC, will play in OHL)

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07-02-2013, 12:11 PM
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Found this elsewhere which is interesting, a list of 1st round forwards over the past 20 years 6'5" or taller. Some were shorter when drafted (Sundin for instance):
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Joe Colbourne 6’5", 16th overall in ‘08.
Martin Hanzal 6’6", 17th overall in 05.
Blake Wheeler 6’5", 5th overall in 04
Hugh Jessiman 6’6", 12th overall in 03
Brian Boyle 6’7", 26th overall in 03
David Steckel 6’5", 30th in 01
Alex Mikhnov 6’5", 17th in 2000
Nik Antropov 6’6", 10th overall in 98
Scott Parker 6’5", 20th overall in 98
Danius Zubrus 6’5", 15th overall in 96
Teemu Riihijarvi, 6’6", 12th overall in 95
Chris Wells, 6’6", 24th overall in 94
Jason Arnott, 6’5", 7th overall in 93
Andrei Nazarov 6’5", 10th overall in 92
Keith Primeau 6’5", 3rd overall in 91
Mats Sundin 6’5", 1st overall in 89
Obviously every player is different, and this means very little just as not every 5'8" player is the second coming of St. Louis or Fleury. But when people call this a swing for the fences type pick, this is why.

What's interesting is how much bulkier McCarron is than most of these guys at the same age.

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Maybe PK after he signs his new deal would be able afford feeding him?
Ohh.. I like that idea

Plus, playing host to a young cocky giant might do PK some good, don't you think?

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Who do you think will host him if he comes to Montreal in 2/3 years?
Definitely not Gorges, he was surprised by how much Gallagher eats, no way he takes in McCarron.

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Ohh.. I like that idea

Plus, playing host to a young cocky giant might do PK some good, don't you think?
I'm not even sure PK's future contract will be able to afford feeding this massive kid in the middle:


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Found this elsewhere which is interesting, a list of 1st round forwards over the past 20 years 6'5" or taller. Some were shorter when drafted (Sundin for instance):


Obviously every player is different, and this means very little just as not every 5'8" player is the second coming of St. Louis or Fleury. But when people call this a swing for the fences type pick, this is why.

What's interesting is how much bulkier McCarron is than most of these guys at the same age.
Interesting, more than I would have thought

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Found this elsewhere which is interesting, a list of 1st round forwards over the past 20 years 6'5" or taller. Some were shorter when drafted (Sundin for instance):


Obviously every player is different, and this means very little just as not every 5'8" player is the second coming of St. Louis or Fleury. But when people call this a swing for the fences type pick, this is why.

What's interesting is how much bulkier McCarron is than most of these guys at the same age.
Thanks for this Et le But. I brought this point up earlier in the thread. Strange that there are such few offensive forwards in the nhl over 6'4. My guess is that there aren't many forwards over 6'4 as compared to players who fall into the 5'11-6'1 range...so we'd have to see the percentages of players drafted in those height ranges. Out of those players, Antropov and Wheeler are the only real consistent offensive contributors in the nhl.

If he does develop an offensive game, he'll be a rare type of player in the nhl...very valuable. It's a good gamble.

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I'm not even sure PK's future contract will be able to afford feeding this massive kid in the middle:

He's a monster, I remember constantly seeing him screen the goalie in the U18 and no one being able to push him off.

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Guys his size are usually pushed to become defencemen when they're still young and developing...I'm looking forward to Mike being the exception to the rule...

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Very interesting comparisons indeed ! However I would be curious to compare McCaron with those 6'5''+ players that are also aggressive in nature. I notice that a lot of these players on that list are not the most physical, just like F.Gauthier would fit in that category for this year's crew. These guys are hit or miss, and if they miss they are most likely going to end up career-ahler. The good thing about McCaron is that if he flops, he would become at worst a feared enforcer in the NHL, and might still be able to create some value for a team during playoffs.

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At worst, he plunks his gigantic arse in front of the net and screens goalies while tossing opposing defenders & "tough guys" into the 12th row...

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I really hope he plays for london next year, a guy that big who plays physical needs to learn how to fight.... I don't want lucy to pull a Komisarek on him.

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Definitely not Gorges, he was surprised by how much Gallagher eats, no way he takes in McCarron.
If Gorges takes in McCarron, Gallagher will leave in fear of being eaten himself.

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At worst, he plunks his gigantic arse in front of the net and screens goalies while tossing opposing defenders & "tough guys" into the 12th row...
While he's tossing players into the stands Gallagher with no one to interfere with picks up all the garbage goals. It's win win for us, we get scoring and gladiator games all in a game.

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I'm not even sure PK's future contract will be able to afford feeding this massive kid in the middle:

Looks like a dad with his kids...

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Thanks for this Et le But. I brought this point up earlier in the thread. Strange that there are such few offensive forwards in the nhl over 6'4. My guess is that there aren't many forwards over 6'4 as compared to players who fall into the 5'11-6'1 range...so we'd have to see the percentages of players drafted in those height ranges. Out of those players, Antropov and Wheeler are the only real consistent offensive contributors in the nhl.

If he does develop an offensive game, he'll be a rare type of player in the nhl...very valuable. It's a good gamble.
Well, it's just incredibly difficult to have the sort of coordination necessary to play professional hockey over 6'4", especially at the forward position (well, on one hand, the taller guys are usually encouraged to play defense where height matters more, but also because stay at home defensemen don't have to move as much).

What's also interest is how the few that do make it all seem to be one way players, with the exception of Zubrus, Sundin and to an extent Antropov, the few who were able to develop an offensive game are uncoordinated defensively. Even Lucic is an example of that, he defied the odds offensively but is a terrible defensive player.

With regards to McCarron, he already weights as much as a lot of these guys do/did in their prime. If he can use that to be a stronger version of Arnott or something, Timmins/Bergevin will look like a genius. On the other hand, he could be the second coming of Hugh Jessiman.

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I really hope he plays for london next year, a guy that big who plays physical needs to learn how to fight.... I don't want lucy to pull a Komisarek on him.
I hope he plays in London next year, and yes, it's ideal he becomes able to defend himself, but this Lucic obsession....

This kid is a good 3 years from the NHL, if not more. Lucic is likely going to have to seriously consider adjusting his playing style as he approaches 30. McCarron might never get the chance to fight Lucic.

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First steps to work on as he often seems to be losing his balance when he starts skating.

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First steps to work on as he often seems to be losing his balance when he starts skating.
You would too if the rink starting tilting when you stepped on it...


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So has anyone seen this kid play?

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So has anyone seen this kid play?
There was a Youtube video posted a page ago where you can watch him play right now, a full game from the U18's against Finland.

So in short...yes.

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Is Zack Kassian a good comparison?

Big RH winger that parks in front of the net and is good in the corner.

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Just watched a full game u18 video of him very suprised by his skating he is fast in a straight line! Didnt see much mean streak but that could be because of international play, he thrives playing on the boards puck battles etc. You will mainly find him (and fasching) in front of the net. All in all he could be a second liner 30 goal guy if he works on his release and play with the puck. I hated this pick at first but now I am excited, he would benefit from more games played in the ohl for the hunters.

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Is Zack Kassian a good comparison?
Big RH winger that parks in front of the net and is good in the corner.
Dear God...I hope not

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How soon before he plays for the Habs? 2-3 yrs?

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How soon before he plays for the Habs? 2-3 yrs?
Probably 3-4 years....

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