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07-02-2013, 08:40 AM
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Stephen Weiss

Coming off a brutal, injury plagued season. If he doesn't like the offers he is getting, I think it would make a lot of sense for him to come here on a 1 year deal, say 3M. He's 30 now and has one more big contract left in him. I doubt what he would get in a cap lowered year coming off last season would even approach what he would get coming off a year of centering Sharp and Hossa with a significantly higher cap.

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07-02-2013, 08:47 AM
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He gave Florida a break last time and it seemed pretty clear that he wasn't going to be part of the plan in Florida going into 2012. I think he's been planning on going to the market for a long time and I can't imagine him taking anything less than a 6 year deal for big dollars.

I was hoping Chicago might have been able to get him until the start of last season, now I don't want them to add him for what he's going to cost. I don't think there's room for the contract but I do think Weiss would have been an excellent 2c solution and I think he will be for the next couple years.
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I think it would make a lot of sense for him to come here on a 1 year deal, say 3M.
It'll be interesting seeing where he goes. I'm not sure how much sense it would make for him to take that offer, but if he would, that would an amazing opportunity for this team.

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There are so many teams that would overpay him over 3 Mill

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There are so many teams that would overpay him over 3 Mill
That's not the point though. He comes here, puts up 70-80 points and cashes in HUGE after that. Yeah, so what about teams that would offer him 1 year, 6M, what would be the point of that for him? This would be about having a career year, a long playoff run and then cashing in on a mega deal.

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That's not the point though. He comes here, puts up 70-80 points and cashes in HUGE after that.
He'll be over 30 only a year removed from significant injury regardless of production. I'm not sure his team will want to take the gamble. It's possible he might see things that way, but I don't consider it very likely.

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07-02-2013, 09:35 AM
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That's not the point though. He comes here, puts up 70-80 points and cashes in HUGE after that. Yeah, so what about teams that would offer him 1 year, 6M, what would be the point of that for him? This would be about having a career year, a long playoff run and then cashing in on a mega deal.
Or he comes here, continues to be injury plagued and then has to take another one year deal next year?

With all the talk about center depth and the like, he'll be cashing in now and worrying about one year deals to win when he's 35. Cap may be going down but there's enough teams around to create a market for him

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07-02-2013, 09:42 AM
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If he could get 6 years, 30M now, I would say he should do that. Less than that, roll the dice.

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07-02-2013, 10:07 AM
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4 for 20 is about the basement I see him getting

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07-02-2013, 12:17 PM
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will end up overpaid and Weiss has no reason to take a 1 year deal.


70-80 points? as #2 C behind Toews? sure about that coldsteel?

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07-02-2013, 12:19 PM
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Weiss is not gonna turn down the 5M+ and longterm deals he will get this summer to take a 1 yr deal

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Not interested in Weiss. The Hawks can't afford him, and even if they could, he has bad contract written all over him.

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I'd rather try my chances with Pirri or LeBlanc and if all interm options fail, I'd trade for a rental

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I like Weiss a lot and would love to have him, but I doubt we even go after him to be honest. I dont see him getting mega bucks either as the market isnt there for a lot of these players. There are a lot of good players available right now and guys like Weiss are going to become 2nd and 3rd options when they were hoping to be first options.

Teams need to have the room to sign these guys, and I dont know how many true players are going to be out there for Weiss. I can see a 2-3 year deal in the $3-4mil mold but anything north of that I wouldnt even touch. Some of these guys picked the wrong year to get bought out or become UFA's!!! If this was 2014-15, it would be a different story with the cap increase.

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07-02-2013, 01:03 PM
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Yeah, legendary free agent class + a lowered cap is not a good formula for big deals.

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That's not the point though. He comes here, puts up 70-80 points and cashes in HUGE after that. Yeah, so what about teams that would offer him 1 year, 6M, what would be the point of that for him? This would be about having a career year, a long playoff run and then cashing in on a mega deal.
Or, he could sign a long-term (4 year+) deal with another team, get guaranteed money, and not have to worry about an injury potentially ending any chances of "cashing in" the following season. He'll have already cashed it.

I would like Weiss, but I wouldn't be comfortable offering him more than 4M per, on a 1-2 year contract. He'll get better deals and sign somewhere else.

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Not worth possibly losing another core player. Pass.

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Lecavalier to Flyers for 5 years, $4.5 million AAV, full NMC.

Weiss and Ribeiro will be the next two most coveted centers left on the market.

Bozak overrated, so Feaster will sign him to an outrageous contract.

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07-02-2013, 06:14 PM
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The Hawks haven't lost any core player from the 2009-10 team. I suppose are argument could be made for Bolland and Hammer, but I think both were pretty widely seen as fringe-core players. Guys the Hawks didn't want to lose, but not guys that as significantly help the team compared to Kane, Toews, Keith, Hossa, Seabrook and Sharp. That's the Hawks core. Everyone else is on the outside looking in, and that includes Leddy, Hammer, Saad, etc.. though, Saad could make a pretty strong case if builds off his rookie season, and if him and Leddy reach their potential, they'll both likely be considered part of the core.

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The Hawks haven't lost any core player from the 2009-10 team. I suppose are argument could be made for Bolland and Hammer, but I think both were pretty widely seen as fringe-core players.
Somewhat disagree since I consider Hjalmarsson part of the core.

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The Hawks haven't lost any core player from the 2009-10 team. I suppose are argument could be made for Bolland and Hammer, but I think both were pretty widely seen as fringe-core players.
Bolland may have been traded since 1) Bolland was not the solution to the second line center position, 2) Bolland's salary cap hit was not justified for a third line center, 3) Bolland's injuries have taken their toll, 4) need for additional draft selections in what was considered the deepest draft since 2003.

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He's not even worth 3M yet he will get 5M+ per offers over multiple years, so let him go. We still have Kruger and Leddy to worry about.

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we signed our big FA for the year, you FA frenzy guys are gonna be disappoint once again.

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It would have to be a 1 year deal. Not a day longer. And Kruger/Leddy have to be signed first.

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I'm honestly not as worried about 2C as I am about who's going to be sharing PK time with Kruger.

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