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07-02-2013, 12:20 PM
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I don't get the hate of Leopold from Blues fans honestly.
He's not very good. His physical tools are diminishing. Russell is the better player currently. Hitchcock made horrible defensive pairing due to having Leopold here. He was one of the weakest links on our defense in the playoffs. I will agree it may have been due to poor defensive pairings created by Hitchcock.

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Your experience the same as ours, huh?
Yeah he was awful. And hitch compounded it by sticking him with Shattenkirk. Had he left Jackman and Shattenkirk and put Leopold with Polak, I wouldn't have as much of a problem. But he wasn't an upgrade and we gave away a second for him. And now apparently we are letting Russell go and keeping Leopold. It blows my mind.

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I don't get the hate of Leopold from Blues fans honestly.
Same here. I thought he really helped solidify the D pretty good last season. Im not sure where the hate is coming from.

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07-02-2013, 12:21 PM
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......he's not that good. An undersized d-man that doesn't put up points is basically worthless (or at the very least waiver fodder).
Not necessarily. He's one of the better puck retrievers out there, and he's above average in exits.

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......he's not that good. An undersized d-man that doesn't put up points is basically worthless (or at the very least waiver fodder).
Any defenseman that can skate and efficiently move the puck and play decent defense despite his size is not worthless. He's far better than Leopold at this point.

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07-02-2013, 12:23 PM
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Same here. I thought he really helped solidify the D pretty good last season. Im not sure where the hate is coming from.
If by solidify you mean do absolutely nothing but make our defensive pairings worse, then sure.

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07-02-2013, 12:24 PM
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......he's not that good. An undersized d-man that doesn't put up points is basically worthless (or at the very least waiver fodder).
He's capable of putting up 10-ish points and makes a good outlet pass; he's not a bad defenseman.

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07-02-2013, 12:25 PM
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Any defenseman that can skate and efficiently move the puck and play decent defense despite his size is not worthless. He's far better than Leopold at this point.
This just simply isnt true. They are about even I would say, but Leopold is stronger on the puck and has more experience. I understand that people were frustrated with the Leo/Shatty pairing last year but the hate for him is pretty unwarrented IMO.

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Yeah he was awful. And hitch compounded it by sticking him with Shattenkirk. Had he left Jackman and Shattenkirk and put Leopold with Polak, I wouldn't have as much of a problem. But he wasn't an upgrade and we gave away a second for him. And now apparently we are letting Russell go and keeping Leopold. It blows my mind.
We referred to him simply as "Lolpold".

I wouldn't mind Russell on the Sabres, but then he might take away a roster spot from a younger guy.

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07-02-2013, 12:29 PM
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This just simply isnt true. They are about even I would say, but Leopold is stronger on the puck and has more experience. I understand that people were frustrated with the Leo/Shatty pairing last year but the hate for him is pretty unwarrented IMO.
Russell is the better player, especially on this team. Leopold should be on the third pairing at best, and Russell is a perfect compliment to Polak. I want Leopold nowhere near this team.

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07-02-2013, 12:31 PM
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Leopold's problem is that his ideal spot is the offensive guy on a somewhat-sheltered second pairing, but most teams already have a better-scoring #3, who he usually gets paired with and doesn't particularly help because he isn't good enough defensively.

Buffalo had this exact problem with him after they signed Error.

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I'm also lost with this move, isn't the deadline to send a QO to RFAs today? If they placed him on waivers, isn't the waiver deadline tomorrow at noon? How does this work, why would the player want to stay an RFA with no control over who claims him? Unless they're going to send him a QO.

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07-02-2013, 12:40 PM
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Russell also had a very good playoff in 2012 and was the best defenseman in the LA series after Petro went down. Severely underrated by Blues fans.

I think Hitchcock felt compelled to use Leopold since Armstrong gave up a 2nd rounder for him even though he really likes Russell and he was playing great at the time of the trade.

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I watched him in the dub he was good hopefully Willie gets a chance with him in texas

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07-02-2013, 01:10 PM
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Russell also had a very good playoff in 2012 and was the best defenseman in the LA series after Petro went down. Severely underrated by Blues fans.

I think Hitchcock felt compelled to use Leopold since Armstrong gave up a 2nd rounder for him even though he really likes Russell and he was playing great at the time of the trade.
Conspiricy theory? Russell's just not that good.

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07-02-2013, 01:10 PM
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so who won Russel-Nikitin trade?

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so who won Russel-Nikitin trade?
Good for both sides. Russell played well with us and Nikitin needed a Russian partner.

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07-02-2013, 01:13 PM
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Not sure how being placed on waivers is a favor. Why not just let him walk as an UFA by not giving him a qualifying offer.
If he's still RFA, the claiming team would still control his rights until he reaches UFA the regular way. That means they would be able to sign him to a cheaper contract too. It makes him a lot more attractive to a team to be claimed as a RFA on waivers than signed as a UFA on the open market.

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Conspiricy theory? Russell's just not that good.
To be honest, I was a little disappointed when I seen on here that he had been put on waivers. I kind of liked him on the third pairing.

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Conspiricy theory? Russell's just not that good.
I've watched every game Russell has played as a Blue.

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07-02-2013, 01:27 PM
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Conspiricy theory? Russell's just not that good.
That's simply not true. For a guy that early in his career wasn't exactly known for his defensive prowess, he turned himself into a very good third pairing option. He played very solid defense for us. And his skating and outlet passing ability are underrated. Sure his offense didn't pan out, but you could do a lot worse than him for your third pairing. He's definitely and NHL player.

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I've watched every game Russell has played as a Blue.

You?
I have as well.

He did play well in that playoff series. He didn't help produce offense, but he at least was able to contribute to the fast transition. He also played against the bottom lines for the LAK, which you can't ignore. But he was one of the only defenders who seemed to be willing to play through the physicality without wilting. I wish he'd played in this most recent post-season the same way. But he couldn't even play well enough to cement a spot in the line-up.

But this past season he had a long stretch of poor play. He never really did regain his form from the prior season. Even before Leopold came, he had been a healthy scratch several times.

I appreciate what Russell did, and I want him to succeed in his career. The Blues could do worse than to have him and Cole fight for the 7th spot. But I think the team views Leopold as that stable bottom pairing partner to help Cole continue developing. (Whether partner on the ice, or in practice. Polak/Leopold/Cole is the bottom group.)

It was really a poor back-up plan to put Cole with Pietro on the top pairing last year, and should have surprised no one when that failed. But on the bottom pairing (with the same kind of sheltered minutes Russell was used to) Cole can be more than adequate.

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I liked Russell, he was a spark plug. But there is no doubt leopold is better. Id take Russell over Cole, but not Leopold. That's just laughable.

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