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07-02-2013, 01:14 PM
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So Cechmanek is the only Flyers goalie to ever post a .920 save percentage over a full season. How depressing is that?

http://www.goaliesarchive.com/flyers/yearbyyear.html

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Pryor said. “He may only be a role guy in the NHL, but we think he has a real good chance to play in the NHL, which is the biggest thing. Look at the percentages of guys playing in the league. It gets less and less each round. So, we wanted to jump up a little bit to grab him because we feel he’s going to be in the NHL and anytime you can get a guy who’s going to play at that level, it doesn’t matter where you take him.”

That's my biggest issue here. I don't think you should be drafted a guy there you think is only going to be a role player in the NHL just because you think it makes your draft looks better by having a better shot at producing an "NHLer" in it.

I think the point of the draft is shooting for talent. At the 3rd round you should still be drafting guys you think can be 3rd line players and maybe part-time 2nd line. Even if that chance is extremely low. You don't go for a 4th line player just because you think he has a better chance at him.

You go for the high ceiling, not for the lower floor. Maybe you get it wrong 4 out of 5 years, but that 1 year of hitting is worth the 4 years of failure and more important than getting a 4th line role player 2 or 3 years out of 5 drafts.
This x infinity

What's the point of drafting a guy you think is a role player. Take a shot at a guy who is high risk/high reward. Maybe you land a Brad Marchand, not a Zach Rinaldo. And if it doesn't work out and the guy busts out, oh well, you only had a 17.7% chance anyway. It's not like you'd have to spend a ton to fill the role that Rinaldo fills either.

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An offer to Blum would be excellent. Shoo Gervais out to wherever, wait for Meszaros to hit LTIR and slot Blum in for rotation work.

I'm warming to the idea of Thomas, too, especially at a discount 1-year salary. I'm not a fan, however, of Lecavalier; I'm fearing too much for too many years given to a guy who's best years are well behind him.

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07-02-2013, 01:29 PM
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An offer to Blum would be excellent. Shoo Gervais out to wherever, wait for Meszaros to hit LTIR and slot Blum in for rotation work.

I'm warming to the idea of Thomas, too, especially at a discount 1-year salary. I'm not a fan, however, of Lecavalier; I'm fearing too much for too many years given to a guy who's best years are well behind him.
This. Sign Blum. Keep him training with the team and in the press-box if you must. He's a better player than Gervais, and he's a Nashville defenseman meaning he could rebound; long-shot but still...

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Is it really Matt Read or some fake account?

"The #Flyers have traded Brayden Schenn to the #BlueJackets for Marian Gaborik and a 2nd round pick #CONFIRMED"

"Then trade the 2nd round pick to Florida for Scottie Upshall"

"#CONFIRMED: the #Flyers sign Leclavier to a 3 year, $22 million dollar deal"

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Is it really Matt Read or some fake account?

"The #Flyers have traded Brayden Schenn to the #BlueJackets for Marian Gaborik and a 2nd round pick #CONFIRMED"
As I read this I thought, "Wow. If that was true, Holmgren would be at the gallows by morning.

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"Then trade the 2nd round pick to Florida for Scottie Upshall"
Then I thought, "Ah. So that's how a man escapes death in Philadelphia."

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"#CONFIRMED: the #Flyers sign Leclavier to a 3 year, $22 million dollar deal"
Then I thought, "Touche."

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Is it really Matt Read or some fake account?

"The #Flyers have traded Brayden Schenn to the #BlueJackets for Marian Gaborik and a 2nd round pick #CONFIRMED"

"Then trade the 2nd round pick to Florida for Scottie Upshall"

"#CONFIRMED: the #Flyers sign Leclavier to a 3 year, $22 million dollar deal"
Don't think that is him. @notreader

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As I read this I thought, "Wow. If that was true, Holmgren would be at the gallows by morning.



Then I thought, "Ah. So that's how a man escapes death in Philadelphia."



Then I thought, "Touche."
I read them all at once so no heart-attack for me.

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So Cechmanek is the only Flyers goalie to ever post a .920 save percentage over a full season. How depressing is that?

http://www.goaliesarchive.com/flyers/yearbyyear.html
If it makes you feel better, .920 is statistically the goaltending benchmark only for the last 15-20 years or so.

Depressingly, that's STILL 15-20 years.

Edit: Oh, and Bernie did it 3/4 times.

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That does make me feel a little better. I guess shot totals were unofficial until the early 80s?

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That does make me feel a little better. I guess shot totals were unofficial until the early 80s?
I can't say. The guys in the History of Hockey forum's Goalie Project thread will know. Those guys know a lot about old stuff.

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So Cechmanek is the only Flyers goalie to ever post a .920 save percentage over a full season. How depressing is that?

http://www.goaliesarchive.com/flyers/yearbyyear.html
Well you do have to take into the era. Pelle Lindberg won the Vezina in 1984-1985 with an .899 save % and that was the 2nd best save % in the NHL. That was in the crazy scoring era. Gretzky was in the middle of his 3 straight 200+ point seasons.

No goalie in the 80s qualified with a save % of .920 or better
It's not until 1993-94 when you have Hasek .9298 and Vanbiesbrouck(.9242)

Then 96-97 Hasek/Hackett/Brodeur/Roy
97-98 Hasek/Barasso/Kidd
98-99 Hasek + 6 others
2000's the NHL gets even more defensive oriented and now you see guys .930/.940 whatever.

So really when you're talking about .920 it's basically the last 15/16 years. Which happens to be the bleakest period of goaltending in Flyers history.

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People on the main board are crazy for offering Coburn+Laughton for MPS and Klefbom. We are giving up the best player and our best prospect right now for a third liner and a player who has potential.

And Panotch also said Theo Peckham, screw that. He probably won't be qualified.

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People on the main board are crazy for offering Coburn+Laughton for MPS and Klefbom. We are giving up the best player and our best prospect right now for a third liner and a player who has potential.

And Panotch also said Theo Peckham, screw that. He probably won't be qualified.
Yeah **** that.

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People on the main board are crazy for offering Coburn+Laughton for MPS and Klefbom. We are giving up the best player and our best prospect right now for a third liner and a player who has potential.

And Panotch also said Theo Peckham, screw that. He probably won't be qualified.
I'd be okay with that trade. Klefbom is going to be a very good NHL player. Laughton doesn't really have a role going forward especially if we add Lecavalier. I like Laughton a lot, but Klefbom is a player with higher upside and he fills a need and could step in right away.

Klefbom, Hagg, Morin, Schenn, Gustafsson would be an incredibly strong D core moving forward. I agree that we are coming out short value wise in that deal, but not by as much as you would think.

Klefbom > Laughton
MPS << Coburn

Not a terrible trade, and it has the potential to work out if Klefbom pans out like I really think he will.

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MPS + Kelfbom for Coburn + 1st 2014.

If people think we suck so bad they should want our 1st next year right?

No goaltending? Am I right?

Not all that interested in MPS + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

The only reason I consider it is because we're stacked down the middle.

Also, huge middle finger to the Peckham theory.

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So Cechmanek is the only Flyers goalie to ever post a .920 save percentage over a full season. How depressing is that?

http://www.goaliesarchive.com/flyers/yearbyyear.html
cechmanek was a stud for us. wish he was a flyer sooner.

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He couldn't handle the playoff pressure, though.

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MPS + Kelfbom for Coburn + 1st 2014.

If people think we suck so bad they should want our 1st next year right?

No goaltending? Am I right?

Not all that interested in MPS + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

The only reason I consider it is because we're stacked down the middle.

Also, huge middle finger to the Peckham theory.
I'm actually not that interested in MPS.
I think he had chances to make a horrible team in Edmonton and didn't make anything of them. Sure a change of scenery might help him, but do we really need a guy like that? I don't see him being more than a third liner on this team and I'd rather have Laughton, who can play center, in this role.

So why not make it Coburn for Klefbom?

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I'm actually not that interested in MPS.
I think he had chances to make a horrible team in Edmonton and didn't make anything of them. Sure a change of scenery might help him, but do we really need a guy like that? I don't see him being more than a third liner on this team and I'd rather have Laughton, who can play center, in this role.

So why not make it Coburn for Klefbom?
I don't consider Klefbom alone worth Coburn.

EDM has to add.

I'd rather do something around that though than MPS. You're right on track with that.

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MPS + Kelfbom for Coburn + 1st 2014.

If people think we suck so bad they should want our 1st next year right?

No goaltending? Am I right?

Not all that interested in MPS + Klefbom for Coburn + Laughton.

The only reason I consider it is because we're stacked down the middle.

Also, huge middle finger to the Peckham theory.
This is absolutely no chance I am giving my first on top of a deal with the best player. Just like our top prospect so many people are mentioning. If I am dealing Coburn+Laughton, it better be much more than Klefbom coming back([COLOR="White"]EBERLE)

We aren't trading our first in this years draft(home sweet home) unless it is for a #1 proven defender I would guess. Or if we are contending for the trophy.

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I don't consider Klefbom alone worth Coburn.

EDM has to add.

I'd rather do something around that though than MPS. You're right on track with that.
Yeah I think a proven player is worth more than Klefbom alone, but I didn't want to add a first round pick. Altough I'd actually would want exactly that. Coburn is a hell of a player.

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Yeah I think a proven player is worth more than Klefbom alone, but I didn't want to add a first round pick. Altough I'd actually would want exactly that. Coburn is a hell of a player.
Klefbom + Nurse for Coburn + Laughton is something I do...


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He couldn't handle the playoff pressure, though.
He melted down but he didn't exactly get offensive support with Hitch's stifling focus on D.

We seem to have no middle ground.....defend defend with Hitch, attack attack with Lavi. With Stevens particularly when Murray left..I'm not sure what the system was but one thing was for sure they were not well-prepared or conditioned.

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