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07-02-2013, 04:08 PM
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I believe Moore was mostly in the AHL at the time. Dorsett probably loved him since Arniel kept putting him on the first or second line and using him on the PP!

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That's both good and bad news. Good news is that Dorse may be one of his faves, bad news is that he may lean on him too much....

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That's both good and bad news. Good news is that Dorse may be one of his faves, bad news is that he may lean on him too much....
Arniel isn't the head coach, he's not the one who will be making personnel decisions.

After looking up some of the stuff that went on with Brassard and Arniel, it does make me nervous that the Rangers are doing this, but hopefully the different positions will mitigate some of that.

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The more ACs, the more expendable they are. The more ACs, ye less responsibility each one will have. Sathers won't hesitate to fire Arniel if push comes to shove.

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That's both good and bad news. Good news is that Dorse may be one of his faves, bad news is that he may lean on him too much....
Honestly, we had a lot of injuries at the time. I don't think Arniel wanted to play him that high in the line up he was just making do. Dorset did respond though and played some of his best hockey. You really gotta love Dorse. I know we'll miss him this year.

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Maybe a more confident Derick Brassard will show Arniel up and play even better.

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Thanks for the input.

I'm curious for the bold, what did Arniel do to the prospects?
I might be totally wrong on this but I think the Moose were ne of those AHL franchises that are independent and not owned by a NHL club. They have a partnership with a NHL team but their main goal is to win games/championships, and make money. Developing prospects is not their top goal, so you're much more likely to see established AHL vets and stars being relied upon than seeing young prospects given lots of icetime to develop

That's all to say, coaches for those teams have a different priority than coaches for teams like the Wolfpack, and it's not always the greatest for developing players

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Thanks for the input.

I'm curious for the bold, what did Arniel do to the prospects?
Playing favourites over better players, poor systems, destroying confidence, not putting players in a chance to succeed, and generally playing players against their strengths.

Like I said maybe he will be a better #2

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07-02-2013, 04:24 PM
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oh and by the way, Arniel was an assistant coach in Buffalo in their good years when their PP was amazing. If the Rangers get that Arniel then it might work out well

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Arniel isn't the head coach, he's not the one who will be making personnel decisions.

After looking up some of the stuff that went on with Brassard and Arniel, it does make me nervous that the Rangers are doing this, but hopefully the different positions will mitigate some of that.
True, it's much different being an assistant coach.

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Honestly, we had a lot of injuries at the time. I don't think Arniel wanted to play him that high in the line up he was just making do. Dorset did respond though and played some of his best hockey. You really gotta love Dorse. I know we'll miss him this year.
That's great to hear.

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I might be totally wrong on this but I think the Moose were ne of those AHL franchises that are independent and not owned by a NHL club. They have a partnership with a NHL team but their main goal is to win games/championships, and make money. Developing prospects is not their top goal, so you're much more likely to see established AHL vets and stars being relied upon than seeing young prospects given lots of icetime to develop

That's all to say, coaches for those teams have a different priority than coaches for teams like the Wolfpack, and it's not always the greatest for developing players
The Moose were still property of the Vancouver Canucks.

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Playing favourites over better players, poor systems, destroying confidence, not putting players in a chance to succeed, and generally playing players against their strengths.

Like I said maybe he will be a better #2
Hopefully.

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I might be totally wrong on this but I think the Moose were ne of those AHL franchises that are independent and not owned by a NHL club. They have a partnership with a NHL team but their main goal is to win games/championships, and make money. Developing prospects is not their top goal, so you're much more likely to see established AHL vets and stars being relied upon than seeing young prospects given lots of icetime to develop

That's all to say, coaches for those teams have a different priority than coaches for teams like the Wolfpack, and it's not always the greatest for developing players
One of the things the CBJ said when they brought him in was he would be better with young players than the recently fired Ken Hitchcock. That worked out real well.

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Sather and Gorton have discussed the possible assistant coaches with AV. If there was a serious issue between Brassard and Arniel,the Rangers brass has looked into it. Maybe they are satisfied it's not a major issue. Management is involved in the process of hiring the assistants too.
What management? Sather is the only management there. He decides whether it was major or minor. No one else. Sather is an old school, his thinking is players may fire coaches, but they do not hire them, I do. Or management does using your terms.

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Sorry for asking a question that may have been asked, since I was working and I don't want to go through this thread.

What do each of them or what will they (Ulf and Arniel) coach?

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Sorry for asking a question that may have been asked, since I was working and I don't want to go through this thread.

What do each of them or what will they (Ulf and Arniel) coach?
Ulf: Cheap shots

Arniel: Nash and Brassard hatred

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Sorry for asking a question that may have been asked, since I was working and I don't want to go through this thread.

What do each of them or what will they (Ulf and Arniel) coach?
I THINK it's

Ulf: Defense
Arniel: PP

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Ulf: Defense
Arniel: PP
defense and PK for Ulf

Arniel ran a good PP in Buffalo so I'd assume that will be his focus

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I went and did a little digging...

From the CBJ board:
The "Fire Arniel" thread (may be some tidbits in there)
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1006117

What is wrong with Brassard? thread (from the same time period)
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1043799

Link to article where Brass' agent rips Arniel:
http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...t-unloads.html



It will be interesting to see how things play out in NY. Brassard's performances seem to directly depend on how he feels about things.
arniel won't be the ones controlling ice time to make him the scapegoat, nor would he be in a position to need one...so while he and brassard might not be BFFs i'm not sure there is much to worry about here. be different if arniel was named the head coach.

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I doubt that even as an assistant coach he'll have much say on Brassard. It'll be Vigneault in charge and I'm sure Brassard will get good minutes and play fine.

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Ulf: Cheap shots

Arniel: Nash and Brassard hatred

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I know Nash and Brassard hated Arniel, but were there any issues with Moore and Dorsett?
Moore wasn't really notable during Arniel's tenure. He seemed to "like" Dorsett in that he gave DD tons of ice time, but I've also heard that DD didn't much care for him. So I dunno. Flip a coin.

See GoChill's post for a few more points - particularly the "never play Nash on the PK" bit, which drove us all through the ****ing roof. Seriously, at one point we had so many injuries we had to put Nash back on the PK, wherein he proceeded to kick ass and take names... and then Arniel yanks him right back off as soon as injuries heal. In a year where our PK was massively sucking. It was maddening.

He's not the HC, so he won't exactly destroy the Rangers. But his tenure here was g-dawful... and this coming from someone who put in a real effort to believe in the guy and thought he was going to be something special.

Hopefully he's learned from the experience. Otherwise...

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I feel bad for you guys, Arniel's a moron, I thought AV was terrible but following the Wolves as closely as I did through the lockout I was appalled by Arniel's coaching, we probably had the worst tandem of NHL & AHL head coaches last season.

I'm hoping it works out for you guys though!

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Moore wasn't really notable during Arniel's tenure. He seemed to "like" Dorsett in that he gave DD tons of ice time, but I've also heard that DD didn't much care for him. So I dunno. Flip a coin.

See GoChill's post for a few more points - particularly the "never play Nash on the PK" bit, which drove us all through the ****ing roof. Seriously, at one point we had so many injuries we had to put Nash back on the PK, wherein he proceeded to kick ass and take names... and then Arniel yanks him right back off as soon as injuries heal. In a year where our PK was massively sucking. It was maddening.

He's not the HC, so he won't exactly destroy the Rangers. But his tenure here was g-dawful... and this coming from someone who put in a real effort to believe in the guy and thought he was going to be something special.

Hopefully he's learned from the experience. Otherwise...
Oh believe me he hasn't, he was just as bad coaching our minor league team last year in Chicago.

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Moore wasn't really notable during Arniel's tenure. He seemed to "like" Dorsett in that he gave DD tons of ice time, but I've also heard that DD didn't much care for him. So I dunno. Flip a coin.

See GoChill's post for a few more points - particularly the "never play Nash on the PK" bit, which drove us all through the ****ing roof. Seriously, at one point we had so many injuries we had to put Nash back on the PK, wherein he proceeded to kick ass and take names... and then Arniel yanks him right back off as soon as injuries heal. In a year where our PK was massively sucking. It was maddening.

He's not the HC, so he won't exactly destroy the Rangers. But his tenure here was g-dawful... and this coming from someone who put in a real effort to believe in the guy and thought he was going to be something special.

Hopefully he's learned from the experience. Otherwise...
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I feel bad for you guys, Arniel's a moron, I thought AV was terrible but following the Wolves as closely as I did through the lockout I was appalled by Arniel's coaching, we probably had the worst tandem of NHL & AHL head coaches last season.

I'm hoping it works out for you guys though!
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Oh believe me he hasn't, he was just as bad coaching our minor league team last year in Chicago.
Yikes, that isn't good news at all. Hopefully it works out, but the pressing reviews on Arniel seems pretty awful so far.

Anyone know the work Samuelsson did? Coyotes fans lurking? Didn't like the departure of Sullivan, I thought he did a fantastic job working a great Rangers defense.

BTW Sergei Shirokov, how was Newell Brown?

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Yikes, that isn't good news at all. Hopefully it works out, but the pressing reviews on Arniel seems pretty awful so far.

Anyone know the work Samuelsson did? Coyotes fans lurking? Didn't like the departure of Sullivan, I thought he did a fantastic job working a great Rangers defense.
According to Brooks, Sullivan was disliked more than Tortorella in the room.

Doesn't matter anyway, the only time ac's get noticed is when they get fired.

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According to Brooks, Sullivan was disliked more than Tortorella in the room.

Doesn't matter anyway, the only time ac's get noticed is when they get fired.
Well if the players turn on the coach, it's time for the coach to go.

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Yikes, that isn't good news at all. Hopefully it works out, but the pressing reviews on Arniel seems pretty awful so far.

Anyone know the work Samuelsson did? Coyotes fans lurking? Didn't like the departure of Sullivan, I thought he did a fantastic job working a great Rangers defense.

BTW Sergei Shirokov, how was Newell Brown?
His decision making is unbelievably bad.

Example: Jordan Schroeder & Zack Kassian were playing pretty well, Schroeder had something like 4 points in his last 5 games, Kassian about that too.

then one game Kevin Connaution single-handedly cost us the game late, we were up by a goal with not much time left and he made a brutal giveaway on one goal then right away on the 2nd one his defensive positioning was terrible, it was something like that.

Then the next game Arniel scratches Kassian, Schroeder & Connaution, and Schroeder & Kassian weren't even on the ice and both had been playing fine, then a big deal was made of it out here in Vancouver.

He has an unbelieve love for scrubs who can't play, like Darren Haydar was just terrible all year and he kept getting top line minutes over Schroeder who was still putting up points at a great rate like .80 pts or something like that, probably a bit better, & its funny too cause after Schroeder was sent down Arniel finally put him on the top line due to some injuries and he was a PPG player. He also burnt out our goalie Matt Climie but never giving him a rest despite our prospect Joe Cannata being available who has been nothing short of great in his AHL starts so far.

I could go on, but anyways hopefully it works it just seemed like he went out of his way to put veterans who were not working at all ahead of prospects who just needed a bit more opportunity to really help the team, no surprise they missed the playoffs.

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