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07-02-2013, 02:00 PM
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I think this also highlights that Gillis isn't very good at making trades under duress. He should take note of this and adjust accordingly. If he's more pro-active, as MS mentions, then he can avoid placing himself in such situations and can stem the tide before it rises.
I fully agree with this. I think this situation, and the Luongo situation will make MG a better GM for the future.

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07-02-2013, 02:29 PM
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So has he been put on buyout waivers yet?

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07-02-2013, 02:35 PM
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With a worse lineup, in a tougher division, than last year.
If he was done, then I'd agree.

But it is July 2nd.

Come on man.

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07-02-2013, 02:40 PM
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After what happened at the draft, I'm a little worried that Edler gets traded since Ballard didn't get claimed.
Well, Edler has control of the situation now (being trade), so he can reject being traded now. They're going to be left with no choice to buyout Ballard, so I don't know why they don't just do it.

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Well, Edler has control of the situation now (being trade), so he can reject being traded now. They're going to be left with no choice to buyout Ballard, so I don't know why they don't just do it.
Has to clear unconditional waivers first.
Canucks have to buy him out, unless Aquilini's have a cash-flow problem that hasn't been discussed (which is also a possibility in a bad economy).
If Canucks do not buy out Keith Ballard, I will have some serious concerns about the Canucks' ownership's financial situation, and what they are not telling us.

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07-02-2013, 02:56 PM
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It simply has to happen at this point. It fixes basically the whole cap crunch problem for next year. As soon as he's bought out, hey, we've got a playoff-quality NHL hockey team again because we can re-sign the RFA's and UFA's we need to fill out the bottom 6.

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I think this also highlights that Gillis isn't very good at making trades under duress. He should take note of this and adjust accordingly. If he's more pro-active, as MS mentions, then he can avoid placing himself in such situations and can stem the tide before it rises.
I think you nailed it.
My problem with the way he handled the goalies is that he said the CBA changed everything. And before that it was the fact that other GM's wouldn't trade because they knew the CBA was up for negotiation.
He should have recognized that the CBA was likely to reduce cap room and could impact existing contracts. The time to act was much earlier. He should have also recognized that other GM's viewed Luongo's value differently than him and that the perceived value was not going to increase after a season of being Schneider's back up. His stubborness an dinability to be flexible and change his mind really hurt him here.
He backed himself into a corner and eventually had two options; Buy out Luongo or trade Schneider at the last minute. I'm sure Aqulinini had already told him that option 1 was not even an option so he made the inevitable trade once the penny dropped that no trade for Luongo was possible.

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Has to clear unconditional waivers first.
Canucks have to buy him out, unless Aquilini's have a cash-flow problem that hasn't been discussed (which is also a possibility in a bad economy).
If Canucks do not buy out Keith Ballard, I will have some serious concerns about the Canucks' ownership's financial situation, and what they are not telling us.
He just bought a AHL so cash flow shouldn't be the problem, or he should've budget better knowing we may need to buyout Ballard and possiablely Booth. If we trade Edler to replace him with Ballard I'll be pissed!. I can understand the goalie thing, Luongo has no value in a trade and no one wanted his contract so hands were tied and we got a great prospect, but this trading Edler and replace him with Ballard is just crap.

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Does Ballard have to clear buyout waivers by July 4th, or does he have to go on buyout waivers before July 4th?

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07-02-2013, 03:11 PM
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If they buyout Ballard, are the Canucks completely free of his cap hit? or do they get some small cap hit penalty?

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As free as Bobby McGee.

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As free as Bobby McGee.
How'd we get from Keith Ballard to Janis Joplin?

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How'd we get from Keith Ballard to Janis Joplin?
Because they are equally efficient ice hockey defenders?

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07-02-2013, 03:21 PM
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I hate this move.

Ballard can play - we're letting an NHL defenceman walk away for nothing. A guy who might well have the ability to thrive under a new coach. A guy who was inexplicably and perpetually in the previous coach's doghouse.

The smarter thing would've been to allow some stupid GM to overpay for a guy like Edler in a trade. Now we're just making our roster worse, and drifting closer and closer towards Mediocristan. I don't get it.

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If they buyout Ballard, are the Canucks completely free of his cap hit? or do they get some small cap hit penalty?
1.4m against the cap i think off the top of my head.

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I hate this move.

Ballard can play - we're letting an NHL defenceman walk away for nothing. A guy who might well have the ability to thrive under a new coach. A guy who was inexplicably and perpetually in the previous coach's doghouse.

The smarter thing would've been to allow some stupid GM to overpay for a guy like Edler in a trade. Now we're just making our roster worse, and drifting closer and closer towards Mediocristan. I don't get it.
Keeping Edler and buying out Ballard is making our roster worse? Am I missing something here? We can't afford to keep Ballard, and for what he brings he's worth only around 2M.

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1.4m against the cap i think off the top of my head.
No, if they use a compliance buyout there is no cap hit whatsoever.

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I hate this move.

Ballard can play - we're letting an NHL defenceman walk away for nothing. A guy who might well have the ability to thrive under a new coach. A guy who was inexplicably and perpetually in the previous coach's doghouse.

The smarter thing would've been to allow some stupid GM to overpay for a guy like Edler in a trade. Now we're just making our roster worse, and drifting closer and closer towards Mediocristan. I don't get it.
Define overpay? If Anaheim rings up Bobby Ryan+, sure you hear them out and consider it. However, if teams are offering a slew prospects and little else. What interest do we have in that? Even if we did get a good roster player. We could not afford him and Ballard. This is just the cost of a cap world.

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Ballard can play - we're letting an NHL defenceman walk away for nothing. A guy who might well have the ability to thrive under a new coach. A guy who was inexplicably and perpetually in the previous coach's doghouse.
Every other team in the NHL just let him walk for nothing as well. Can't get blood from a stone.

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Yup my bad forgot about the compliance.

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Because they are equally efficient ice hockey defenders?


Excellent.

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07-02-2013, 03:36 PM
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Keeping Edler and buying out Ballard is making our roster worse? Am I missing something here? We can't afford to keep Ballard, and for what he brings he's worth only around 2M.
There's a good chance of that, yes. I don't know what the offers were, but guys like Skinner & Couturier were being thrown around. I'll have Skinner + Ballard over Edler on my team, quite easily.

And I know we heard that Carolina wasn't interested, yes, but if it's a comparable player being offered elsewhere, you get the point. I don't think Edler's the franchise d-man that a lot of people evidently do. He's good, but he's expendable.

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Define overpay? If Anaheim rings up Bobby Ryan+, sure you hear them out and consider it. However, if teams are offering a slew prospects and little else. What interest do we have in that? Even if we did get a good roster player. We could not afford him and Ballard. This is just the cost of a cap world.
Put it this way - would you rather have Edler, or Ballard + Domi (11th pick)? I'm taking the latter.

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If they buyout Ballard, are the Canucks completely free of his cap hit? or do they get some small cap hit penalty?
Completely free.

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I hate this move.

Ballard can play - we're letting an NHL defenceman walk away for nothing. A guy who might well have the ability to thrive under a new coach. A guy who was inexplicably and perpetually in the previous coach's doghouse.

The smarter thing would've been to allow some stupid GM to overpay for a guy like Edler in a trade. Now we're just making our roster worse, and drifting closer and closer towards Mediocristan. I don't get it.
This is so ridiculous there aren't even words for it, really.

First off, Ballard can't play. We watched him for over 150 games in a Canuck uniform, and he gave ZERO indication from start to finish that he was a capable top-4 NHL defender. He fails the eye test, fails the stats test, and fails the advanced stats test on this front. He sucked, period. And was given every opportunity not to suck.

Second, the notion that you should keep the assets that drag you down the most because they suck and have no value, and as a result are forced to trade assets of legitimate quality to get under the cap is the most ass-backward, ridiculous concept imaginable.

Ballard is a $4 million waste of space. $4 million waste of spaces don't help you win, under any circumstances.

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