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07-03-2013, 03:05 PM
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https://twitter.com/Aportzline/statu...00123282051073

Horton wants to play in a non-hockey market. Somewhere more quiet than Boston. Somewhere like Miami-Ft.Lauderdale where played for the Panthers. Horton is visiting a team today.

Columbus wants to add more offense.
I really like their forward core with the addition of Horton.

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A lot of depth lines 1-4 that can be their best line on any given day.

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07-03-2013, 03:06 PM
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So, unless people grow into roles or new players acquired, we could end up with a similar situation to what we had the last two years, and that is not good: two top lines and two 4th lines. As I've said before, finding legit. third line players almost seems more difficult that finding first liners.
Your post is 100% accurate, as far as I'm concerned. And that last line seems to be very, very true. Especially this offseason, where every available 3rd line option is one-dimensional and inconsistent.

Lindberg and Miller seem suited to that. For that matter, so does Danny Kristo. But are these NHL players? Only time will tell.

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Even without Horton, Columbus is going to give our new division more problems than I think most people are expecting.
Disagree.

They'll give us fits in a direct matchup because of the exes, but I don't see them as a threat in the big picture

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07-03-2013, 03:10 PM
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Filip Kuba is getting a compliance buyout from FLA. Has a NMC, doesn't need to go on waivers. Consider him bought out.

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Richards needs to be with Hagelin and Callahan. He was good with those two.

Leave the skilled wingers for the centers who are competent. Kreider was at his best with Stepan. Every time they are together they do something. Brassard and Zuccarello were a match.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Richards - Callahan
Zuccarello - Brassard - x

Not that it matters because things will flip flop.

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Disagree.

They'll give us fits in a direct matchup because of the exes, but I don't see them as a threat in the big picture
Columbus is not far away from making noise as a playoff contender. They are hard to play against and play the game hard. People who haven't seen them play will have their eyes opened when they play the Rangers this season. Big, physical, in your face team. I hope the Rangers are able to withstand the punishment because teams like Philly, Pittsburgh, NYI and Columbus are all very big, gritty teams.

Philly has Simmonds, Rinaldo, Hartnell, Schenn, Coburn, Grossman

Pitt has Kunitz, Glass, Engelland

CLB has Dubi, Umberger, Foligno, Boll, Prout

NYI has Boulton, Carkner, Martin, Clutterbuck.

The Rangers have Dorsett and Asham. Looking good.

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07-03-2013, 03:13 PM
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Columbus is not far away from making noise as a playoff contender. They are hard to play against and play the game hard. People who haven't seen them play will have their eyes opened when they play the Rangers this season. Big, physical, in your face team. I hope the Rangers are able to withstand the punishment because teams like Philly, Pittsburgh, NYI and Columbus are all very big, gritty teams.

Philly has Simmonds, Rinaldo, Hartnell, Schenn, Coburn, Grossman

Pitt has Kunitz, Glass, Engelland

CLB has Dubi, Umberger, Foligno, Boll, Prout

NYI has Boulton, Carkner, Martin, Clutterbuck.

The Rangers have Dorsett and Asham. Looking good.
how could you miss Callahan and Boyle for the Rangers? Both gritty and Boyle is huge.

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how could you miss Callahan and Boyle for the Rangers? Both gritty and Boyle is huge.
The guys I mentioned are gritty and can drop the gloves. Callahan is gritty. I guess I should have included Boyle who has shown a willingness to stand-up for his teammates.

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07-03-2013, 03:16 PM
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The guys I mentioned are gritty and can drop the gloves. Callahan is gritty. I guess I should have included Boyle who has shown a willingness to stand-up for his teammates.
so their grittiness is on par with other teams in the division.

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Columbus is not far away from making noise as a playoff contender. They are hard to play against and play the game hard. People who haven't seen them play will have their eyes opened when they play the Rangers this season. Big, physical, in your face team. I hope the Rangers are able to withstand the punishment because teams like Philly, Pittsburgh, NYI and Columbus are all very big, gritty teams.

Philly has Simmonds, Rinaldo, Hartnell, Schenn, Coburn, Grossman

Pitt has Kunitz, Glass, Engelland

CLB has Dubi, Umberger, Foligno, Boll, Prout

NYI has Boulton, Carkner, Martin, Clutterbuck.

The Rangers have Dorsett and Asham. Looking good.
Philly's size hasn't stopped us from kicking their ass in recent history. Just saying.

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so their grittiness is on par with other teams in the division.
Hey if you are comfortable with it, sure, why not.

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07-03-2013, 03:21 PM
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Rangers 3rd in league in hit totals:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...=realTimeStats

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07-03-2013, 03:23 PM
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Hey if you are comfortable with it, sure, why not.
I think there are much bigger problems skill-wise than grittiness factor. I believe this team is one of the grittiest out there as evident by their hit totals.

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The guys I mentioned are gritty and can drop the gloves. Callahan is gritty. I guess I should have included Boyle who has shown a willingness to stand-up for his teammates.
Callahan will drop the gloves and stand up for his teammates as well.

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07-03-2013, 03:24 PM
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Rangers 3rd in league in hit totals:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...=realTimeStats
MSG has always recorded high hit totals if memory serves me right.

I watch the games. They were not close to the same level of grit or aggressiveness as pretty much any of the teams i already laid out.

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07-03-2013, 03:25 PM
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Callahan will drop the gloves and stand up for his teammates as well.
He shouldn't. He tried last year, separated his shoulder.

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MSG has always recorded high hit totals if memory serves me right.

I watch the games. They were not close to the same level of grit or aggressiveness as pretty much any of the teams i already laid out.
Okay, but the Rangers were still 3rd in the league in road hits.

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07-03-2013, 03:27 PM
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Okay, but the Rangers were still 3rd in the league in road hits.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm...=realTimeStats
Do you think the Rangers are a physical team that plays aggressively? From watching the games, I'm not talking about stats.

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Do you think the Rangers are a physical team that plays aggressively? From watching the games, I'm not talking about stats.
I think the Rangers are a physical team from watching the games. That hinders their transition game severely.

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I think the Rangers are a physical team from watching the games. That hinders their transition game severely.
I do not. I also think there hit totals are inflated because they never had the puck and consistently played a dump and chase game.

Outside of NJ, the Rangers last year, were probably the softest team in the division.

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I do not. I also think there hit totals are inflated because they never had the puck and consistently played a dump and chase game.

Outside of NJ, the Rangers last year, were probably the softest team in the division.
Fantastic point, a perfect example of where stats can fall short and the eye test is more important.

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I do not. I also think there hit totals are inflated because they never had the puck and consistently played a dump and chase game.

Outside of NJ, the Rangers last year, were probably the softest team in the division.
That's exactly the problem. I think they need more skilled guys that can control play rather than more cokemachines that do nothing but hitting. Playing gritty is very overrated trait and the Rangers have plenty of individual gritty players on offense and defense. The Chicago Blackhawks were by far the least physical team in the league last season.

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All home teams fudge the hot numbers, Boston has to be one of the worst.

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Columbus pursuing Horton at least somebody wants to have some offense

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That's exactly the problem. I think they need more skilled guys that can control play rather than more cokemachines that do nothing but hitting. Playing gritty is very overrated trait and the Rangers have plenty of individual gritty players on offense and defense. The Chicago Blackhawks were by far the least physical team in the league last season.
The Rangers were certainly gritty, but would you call them intimidating? I think that's the point Boyler/Viper was trying to make.

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