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07-03-2013, 01:23 PM
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Some quotes from Cerny's live chat:

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Who were the standouts during todays scrimmage?

To me Brady Skjei stands out from these other prospects with his smarts, anticipation, hockey IQ...just always seems to be in right position, and he is much stronger than last year...Kyle Jean scored a beauty of a goal today on a backhand...Boo Nieves made a great pass on another goal
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Is there ONE player that has WOW'd you at prospect camp? That maybe you didn't know about?

last year Kyle Jean was that kid, he arrived as an invite and stood out all 5 days, earning a pro contract...so far not sure anyone has stood out the same way...5 foot 7 Sergey Tolchinsky has some great skills, but is obviously a little guy, but I like him...Alexander Krushelynski has played well in the scrimmages, had a goal yesterday...Alex Gogolev scored today...and Thomas Spelling, a 5th rounder from 2012 has scored each day
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Hi Jim! Do you think that Marek Hrivik can join the Rangers for couple games druing the season?

yes, I do...Hrivik is in tremendous physical shape, is pretty good offensively, strong on the puck, and responsible defensively...concussions slowed him last year, but i know the organization was very impressed with his play when he did play
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Is Calle Andersson there? If not will he be there for the pro camp?

Call Andersson is not at prospects camp...i am trying to confirm that he may have been hurt back home in Sweden...I do not think he will be at camp in September, he will be playing in Swedish Elite League

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07-03-2013, 01:29 PM
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Jim, Sam Noreau has developed well, how has his skating looked as compared to a couple of years ago? Big, tough kid who plays reliable defense. Skating was a major question mark for him in his draft year. I am hoping he and McIlrath can help provide some toughness in the foreseeable future
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Jim Cerny: Hey Matt: Sam Noreau's skating is far better than when he was drafted...he laid a couple of big hits out there today...still is raw and has work to do, but skating is much much better
My question on Noreau who I really like.


Jim is really high on Graves as well. Says he moves really well for a big kid and is delivering a bunch of hits. I like the sound of that.

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07-03-2013, 01:33 PM
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Boo Nieves doesnt get mentioned as much as the other Rangers prospects but when I watched his games in Michigan he ceiling looks tremendous. Why do you think he is rated so high as the other prospects?
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Jim Cerny: Hi Adam: I have spoken a lot about Boo this week...he has stood out in the scrimmages with his vision, passing skills, and skating...he needs to fill out and get stronger for sure...where Brady Skjei added 10 pounds of muscle in one year, Boo still looks as he did when drafted...Rangers will not rush him at Michigan, will let him develop there
Nieves will probably need another couple of years at Michigan. He needs time to get stronger.

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07-03-2013, 01:37 PM
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I agree that that kind of player would improve our top 6 by leaps and bounds. I also agree it's a problem the organization has had for a long, long time. Can't remember the last time the Rangers developed a big man to contribute in all areas.

It's NOT Kreider.

He's not out there to drop the gloves ever. Same with Nash. Boyle actually plays a solid physical game, but when it comes to fighting he really crashes into his ceiling as a hockey player. Pyatt was invisible for most of last year. It's the reason they went after Clowe, but as is typical the Rangers acquire this type of player when he's past the point of full filling the role.

This is an area the Rangers simply must address, (they know that) but it is EXTREMELY difficult to do so. These are the hardest hockey players to find. The Rangers will never be in a position to draft a high end player from this space and trading for one will be expensive.

But this is where I think the Rangers have to at least consider biting the bullet and pulling the trigger. I'm generally not a fan of trading assets/prospects, but I think the time may have come.

Who do you guys consider to be the best young big men currently on an NHL roster.
Flyers have Hartnell, Bruins have Lucic, Blues have Backes, Ducks have Perry and Getzlaf, Kings have Brown. it is not hard to draft or trade for players like this unless you are part of the Rangers organization ....

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07-03-2013, 01:40 PM
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ADAM TAMBELLINI C SURREY EAGLES 2013 recruit

Tambellini has good size at 6-foot-3 and hes pegged as a goal-scorer. It sounds like he might have a little Brock Nelson in him. No, Im not saying hes going to score 28 goals as a sophomore. But hes tall, slender and can score goals. He might need to bulk up a little as Nelson did when he first arrived at UND before his game can really take off. The opportunity will be there for him to join a scoring line immediately, though. Once Mark Poolman does his work on Tambellini, he could be an outstanding prospect.
- See more at: http://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=9....u0Ygfftw.dpuf

Too bad Tambellini suffered a knee injury on Monday.

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Flyers have Hartnell, Bruins have Lucic, Blues have Backes, Ducks have Perry and Getzlaf, Kings have Brown. it is not hard to draft or trade for players like this unless you are part of the Rangers organization ....
Actually, it is. You listed basically half of them in the league. And if you mention Brown and Backes, Callahan sits right there in the conversation.

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07-03-2013, 01:46 PM
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Flyers have Hartnell, Bruins have Lucic, Blues have Backes, Ducks have Perry and Getzlaf, Kings have Brown. it is not hard to draft or trade for players like this unless you are part of the Rangers organization ....
It is a question of priorities. Getting this type of player is not at the very top of the Rangers priorities list. I think it needs to be.

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Mark Poolman is North Dakota's trainer and strength and conditioning coach.

http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle...&ATCLID=751489

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Tambellini had a knee injury entering prospects camp

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He was hurt when he arrived, Gernander said of Tambellini. He had a nagging injury, which really even prevented him from participating in all of the testing on the first day. So theres been no evaluation at this camp here of his game, but again, just like everybody else, hes got resources that can help him with the rehabilitation of his injury. He has strength and conditioning guys that can help him work other parts of his body while this (injured) ones rehabbing, and give him every exercise that will enable this injury to make a full recovery, so its still a very worthwhile experience for him.
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Flyers have Hartnell, Bruins have Lucic, Blues have Backes, Ducks have Perry and Getzlaf, Kings have Brown. it is not hard to draft or trade for players like this unless you are part of the Rangers organization ....
you only named 5 guys/teams. It is hard

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you only named 5 guys/teams. It is hard
Exactly. Probably the hardest thing to get because A.) Big kids with skill are almost as rare as unicorns, and B.) big kids with skill go first overall. You're honestly pretty lucky if you end up with a Brian Boyle.

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07-03-2013, 04:13 PM
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Exactly. Probably the hardest thing to get because A.) Big kids with skill are almost as rare as unicorns, and B.) big kids with skill go first overall. You're honestly pretty lucky if you end up with a Brian Boyle.
who is not intimidating at all people are more scared of Backes Lucic Doan giving big hits than Brian Boyle.. he is big but he is horrible at fighting and slow where he doesnt always make full contact and kills momentum when he fights.







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Who cares what his OHL team says he is? He's obviously having his height inflated which is insanely common for either the smallest guys or the biggest guys.

He's not 5'9".
I see, you were the person who measured his height at the draft combine, you should know better than his junior team. What purpose does that serve them? They're not drafting him.

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who is not intimidating at all people are more scared of Backes Lucic Doan giving big hits than Brian Boyle.. he is big but he is horrible at fighting and slow where he doesnt always make full contact and kills momentum when he fights.
Never said he was, said that you're lucky to get a big player outside of the first round that turns into Boyle as most don't. Lucic was like a lottery win for Boston.

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Exactly. Probably the hardest thing to get because A.) Big kids with skill are almost as rare as unicorns, and B.) big kids with skill go first overall. You're honestly pretty lucky if you end up with a Brian Boyle.
I'd like to add one, you need a team that can carry a player like that too.

I don't know how many examples there is of players more or less in tha mold over the years who are great in one environment and then changes team and is much less hyped in lack of better words. Or vice versa.

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I see, you were the person who measured his height at the draft combine, you should know better than his junior team. What purpose does that serve them? They're not drafting him.
Dude, that guy is not 5'9". Haha.

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I see, you were the person who measured his height at the draft combine, you should know better than his junior team. What purpose does that serve them? They're not drafting him.
It's pretty clear that the kid isn't 5'9".

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I see, you were the person who measured his height at the draft combine, you should know better than his junior team. What purpose does that serve them? They're not drafting him.
Inflating his height helps the team with the intimidation factor. It is pretty common for players to check out another teams roster before a game. Teams look a lot scarier when every player gets an extra inch or two "added" to them.

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who is not intimidating at all people are more scared of Backes Lucic Doan giving big hits than Brian Boyle.. he is big but he is horrible at fighting and slow where he doesnt always make full contact and kills momentum when he fights.






You see this is where being on the same side as those who advocate for more size gets difficult. I agree completely with the sentiment that we need bigger, more physical and physically intimidating players on both sides of the puck.

It's the one dimensional or overly simplistic points that some of you make that lose me.

I make no secret of my admiration for Brian Boyle. Yes, he is a complete ZERO when it comes to fighting. And yet he plays a very effective physical game...when he's playing well.

He was lousy during the regular season this year and much better in the playoffs. Put some more capable brawn around him in the line up and he'll be even more effective. We'll have to see what AV wants in his line up to know if Boyle will even be here next year.

Again finding a Lucic or Clowe, drafting, developing and helping to make them successful is hugely difficult. People forget, but Todd Bertuzzi was a mess when he was with the Islanders. He felt immense pressure to be the next Clark Gillies. It got so bad that his wife had to dress some Islander brass down publicly at an event. Bertuzzi was traded and then blossomed.

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I think they need a guy who can play in front of the net more than anything, being able to fight is just a bonus.

Especially with cally out who was reasonably good there. But nearly every team that is an good has one of those net front guys. And they don't seem to be that expensive or rare either, the top ones tend to go for around $4 mil a season

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I see, you were the person who measured his height at the draft combine, you should know better than his junior team. What purpose does that serve them? They're not drafting him.
http://blueshirtsunited.com/posts/36...y#.UdSlkPnrxNU

Jim Cerny watched him in development camp and had this to say in his live chat today:

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5 foot 7 Sergey Tolchinsky has some great skills, but is obviously a little guy, but I like him
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Tolchinsky is here and is as skilled as anyone in camp...question will be if his size works against him...he is tiny! but he can play, no question...very skilled offensively...not sure about contract, but he will be in discussions for sure

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Jim Cerny watched him in development camp and had this to say in his live chat today:
On Tolchinski, I hope everybody here who disagrees with his teams listed height has seen him or knows him personally, otherwise I would rather put my confidence in Tolchinski's team.

All of you are just a bunch of internet experts, just like me. Whatever I read or see on video. I have not seen him personally, so I go by his team stats.

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Both draft reports I have list him as 5 7, but regardless of actual size, he's considered 'small' by pretty much all hockey player standards and it will be interesting to see if he can overcome this

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On Tolchinski, I hope everybody here who disagrees with his teams listed height has seen him or knows him personally, otherwise I would rather put my confidence in Tolchinski's team.

All of you are just a bunch of internet experts, just like me. Whatever I read or see on video. I have not seen him personally, so I go by his team stats.
players are almost always shorter than their listed height. i think prust was like 6'1"-6'2" at one point as a ranger and hes at best 5'11"

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Both draft reports I have list him as 5 7, but regardless of actual size, he's considered 'small' by pretty much all hockey player standards and it will be interesting to see if he can overcome this
He is small, no doubt about it, but most people here talk about him like they have actually seen him. Anyway, here are a few sites that list him as 5'9".

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/10750

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=108653

http://thehockeywriters.com/sergei-t...spect-profile/

http://prospects.dobbersports.com/in...gei-tolchinsky


I'm sure I could find more...

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